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D&D Trolls: Where do they come from?

Drew said:
I'm working on languages in my homebrew setting, and I got to thinking about trolls. Where do they come from?

What I'm curious about is the mythological or fantastic origins of the troll. Is there anything in culture or mythology like the big, green regenerating killing machines that are D&D trolls?

Well, it's not from real-Earth culture, but the trolls in the Kingdoms of Kalamar campaign setting are (eventually) descended from the ancient titans that refused to take sides in the titans war against the gods.

The following comes from the book "Dangerous Denizens: the Monsters of Tellene":

HISTORY OF THE TROLLS OF TELLENE
Long ago, the Gods of Tellene were formed by the Creator to bring Her creation to fruition. The Gods determined that as they themselves served the Creator, they too would have beings serve them. Thus, the Creator granted the Gods servants in the form of Spirits, beings formed from the essences of their various Planes, and thus tied to the Outer Planes rather than the Prime Material. This satisfied the Gods for an age or three, as they caused their servants to build their Planes into that which most pleased them, forming their own realities separate and distinct from that of the Prime. Then, as the amusements of their own private cosmos waned, the Gods sought to expand their influence onto the Prime Material Plane. Unfortunately, they discovered that their Spirit servants were less than satisfactory for this purpose. The Creator had built into them limitations, such that they might affect the Prime Material Plane only through the medium of a native of that Plane. Thus, the Gods sought to convert the various races of the Prime Plane to their causes.

The Creator had brought various races into being upon the Prime Material Plane that Her Plan for Creation might be realized. These races included the Animals, Dragons, Dwarves, Elves and various other primitive creatures. The Dragons were aloof, convinced of their own superiority as the chosen mortals of the Creator (for they were the most powerful beings on Tellene), and thus spurned many overtures of the Gods. The Dwarves and Elves did not entirely suffice for the purpose of the Gods, for those beings had their own ties to Earth and Forest. Thus, they turned to the Animals and various primitive creatures in their quest for servants. There, they discovered a race of primitive beings, not unlike modern Humans (perhaps the forerunners of that race), and saw in them a spark of intellect, the capacity for thought and a kernel of will. The Gods took up the finest of the specimens of these beings and infused them with a share of their Godly might. Though it was but an infinitesimal portion of their might, even so that portion forged each of these beings into an entity of formidable power and prowess. Thus were created the Titans.

The Titans were originally created of stuff both mortal and Divine, and thus were at home on both the Prime Material Plane and the Planes of their respective Gods. For an age the Titans were the dominant beings on Tellene, and their great wars, triumphs and tragedies have come down to the modern peoples as the kernel of the most ancient myth cycles (in which the early Dragons, Elves and Dwarves played no small part). But for all that they were a part Divine, the Titans were mortal, and had mortal failings. At the end of their age, a full third of the host of the Titans sought to usurp the power of the Gods (some say at the behest of the Confuser of Ways).

The War of the Titans and the Gods lasted for a thousand years. In the ends, the Titans were defeated, though at great cost to the Gods themselves.

(paraphrasing from here on, so I don't have to retype a couple pages)

The Gods meted out punishment or rewards to the various factions. The Rebels went to the great pit of Tartarus, the Neutral Titans were bereft of their Divine essence and cast off, and the Loyal Titans were granted eternal residence on the Outer Planes.

The Neutral Titans discovered kindred "spirits" in the genies of the Elemental Planes, and eventually became the progenitors of the various Fire, Frost and Storm Giants. Others sought power in the earth, and became the Elder Trolls (not nearly as ugly as their current descendents).

Both races clawed their way back to an orderly civilization, but then the Divine War of the Gods occurred. The gods sought every advantage they could get, and the Gods of Chaos and Evil saw potential in the Trolls.

He Whose Name is Not, the Dead God of Chaos and Evil, mated his demons with the Trolls, creating the Demonic Trolls. Also created were the High Trolls (Chaos, Mindreaver, Rot, Storm). The High Trolls mated with Humanoids and other Trollish races, and their descendents formed the core of the various clans of Lesser Trolls (standard, plus Arctic, Cave, Moss, Sand, Sea, Stench) still found throughout Tellene.

Hope that gave you some ideas!!! :)
 

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Drew said:
That said, I'm stuck as to where the buggers are going to come from in the mythology of my world. Once I figure that out, I'll be able to decide what language they speak and why.

Because of the physical resemblance, I like to make trolls the sons of hags. More specifically, the sons of hags and corrupt nobles and knights who were lured away from their vows by a polymorphed hag appearing as a beautiful nymph.

It is best when you set up the party (preferably a low level one) to hunt for a monster in the woods and spring the troll on them. Then, you tell them that the horrible beast actually has a claim on the barony in which they are working. And if the PCs dispatch it anyway, Mom comes out. (Itis also extra cool if there is a paladin or other "noble warrior" in the party. Nothing like a "damsel in distress" to get the old loins fired up...)
 

Reynard said:
Because of the physical resemblance, I like to make trolls the sons of hags. More specifically, the sons of hags and corrupt nobles and knights who were lured away from their vows by a polymorphed hag appearing as a beautiful nymph.

Wow, that's a pretty good idea. If you don't mind, I'll borrow this idea for my own game.
 
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Drew said:
I'm working on languages in my homebrew setting, and I got to thinking about trolls. Where do they come from?

What I'm curious about is the mythological or fantastic origins of the troll. Is there anything in culture or mythology like the big, green regenerating killing machines that are D&D trolls?

They're not really the same as Norse trolls or Tolkien trolls; I've always quite liked them, though, in their own right. I never could come up with good names, though, because I wanted to have both TSR-style trolls and Tolkien-style trolls in my higher-fantasy settings.

If you don't also have Tolkien-style trolls, though, why not follow the Professor and make them derived from twisted elves? That seems the easiest. Then make their language a hideously twisted version of an ancient elvish tongue.

(I wonder, though, if I could fit the word <em>though</em> into this post any more times?)
 

Reynard said:
Because of the physical resemblance, I like to make trolls the sons of hags.

Yeah I've always gone for Trolls are Male Hags too (though not quite as elaborate as your story - which is cool btw).

I also make Trolls fiendish by default (DnD Trolls just seem more demonic that the old Rock Trolls) and IMC the twin gods of Madness and Disease are a pair of Blood-stained, Plaguebearing, Ghoulish Feindish Trolls:) - living cancer , now thats cool...
 
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tkinias said:
If you don't also have Tolkien-style trolls, though, why not follow the Professor and make them derived from twisted elves? That seems the easiest. Then make their language a hideously twisted version of an ancient elvish tongue.

Actually, the Trolls of Middle Earth were "bred in mockery of the Ents". Morgoth could not create life, only fake it after a fashion, so Trolls in Middle Earth reverted to the stone from which he fashioned them when touched by the sun.

The Orcs were the debased elves.

Personally, I think Ogres are closer to Tolkien's Trolls: big, dumb, hardy, but not regenerative or rubbery.
 


Ed Cha said:
Poul Anderson's "Three Hearts and Three Lions" has a really creepy description of a troll encounter. As Gary's said, that creature was a basis for the inspiration used in creating the D&D troll.

Yes, and the hero of the story is also part of the basis for the D&D Paladin class. It's quite an excellent read, and highly recommended.
 

tkinias said:
If you don't also have Tolkien-style trolls, though, why not follow the Professor and make them derived from twisted elves? That seems the easiest. Then make their language a hideously twisted version of an ancient elvish tongue.QUOTE]

I thought the Tolkien Orcs were twisted elves. Trolls were created to counter the Ents.

Personally I always figured that Trolls reproduce like cellular division, simply by growing out of another troll. Certainly would reflect the fact that they are a walking, stomping cancer cell.
 

CrusaderX said:
Yes, and the hero of the story is also part of the basis for the D&D Paladin class. It's quite an excellent read, and highly recommended.

Holger the Dane, or Oiger, was one of the Twelve Paladins of Charlemagne, those heroes indeed being the basis for the Paladin Class in AD&D.

As for Three Hearts & Three Lions, it is recommended to all readers in the original DMG, an excellent S&S story indeed!

Cheers,
Gary
 

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