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AcererakTriple6

Autistic DM (he/him)
Also: If the Duergar don't get the Dwarven racial traits, does that mean Shadar-Kai lose out on Fey Ancestry? I mean I was never big on having them as Elves either, but from a background lore perspective, it made sense that they had it since they were the results of Shadowfell fey and the Raven Queen's followers "mingling" together.
Not clear yet. I actually kind of do hope that they lose some of the elven racial traits, as I think that would be a cool way of showing how the Shadowfell (and/or magic of the Raven Queen's apotheosis ritual) corrupted them over the centuries/(millennia?).

And I'm still not convinced that we need both Sea Elves and Tritons, especially since both of them are majorly defined as hating Sahuagin. Like, if we have one green/blue-skinned aquatic race with webbed fingers that fights underwater battles with the Sahuagin, do we really need another one of those but with an elven flavor?
 

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Parmandur

Book-Friend
Huh. I wonder why. And what has happened to the aasimar and shifter subraces?
Subrace is outdated rules wise, thanks to Tasha's. different ASI is meaningless now, and rigidly following the same base Race traits is a restriction rather than an empowerment.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
For those that don't want to have to watch the video, the 30ish confirmed races for the book are as follows:
  1. Aarakocra
  2. Aasimar
  3. Bugbear
  4. Centaur
  5. Changeling
  6. Deep Gnome (Svirfneblin)
  7. Duergar
  8. Eladrin
  9. Fairy
  10. Firbolg
  11. Air Genasi
  12. Earth Genasi
  13. Fire Genasi
  14. Water Genasi
  15. Githyanki
  16. Githzerai
  17. Goblin
  18. Goliath
  19. Harengon
  20. Hobgoblin
  21. Kenku
  22. Kobold
  23. Lizardfolk
  24. Minotaur
  25. Orc
  26. Satyr
  27. Sea Elf
  28. Shadar-Kai
  29. Shifter
  30. Tabaxi
  31. Tortle
  32. Triton
  33. Yuan-Ti (strangely, it doesn't say "Pureblood" on this section)
That's mostly what I was expecting it to be. There's a few surprises (Fairy and Harengon), and there's no Locathah or Grung in it (or the 8 Tiefling subraces), but it's more or less just the races (and subraces that are now becoming full races) from Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes put in this book in an updated format. Genasi got some buffs, from what I heard, too.

Edit: I forgot to mention, it appears that none of the races that previously got Sunlight Sensitivity will have it from now on. (Duergar in this book, but probably not Drow, either, in the upcoming reprint of the PHB.)
That's about what I expected: it has all the Elemental Evil, Volo's & Mordenkainen's material, plus the Tortle Package, two generic Eberron options, three Hellenic options from the Magic Settings, and two pretty generic options printed in an adventure (probably meant for this book originally).

The Grung and Locanth were not fully vetted options, rhe way Tortles were: just Chris Lindsey's homebrew put out for charity.
 

pukunui

Legend
Subrace is outdated rules wise, thanks to Tasha's. different ASI is meaningless now, and rigidly following the same base Race traits is a restriction rather than an empowerment.
It's a handy way to save space. Imagine how much extra space the races section of the 50th anniversary edition will take up with them having to repeat all the shared traits that the various types of elves, dwarves, etc have in common.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
It's a handy way to save space. Imagine how much extra space the races section of the 50th anniversary edition will take up with them having to repeat all the shared traits that the various types of elves, dwarves, etc have in common.
My hypothesis is that the "Astral Elf" from the most recent UA is their scheme for a new Elf that needs no Subraces: it covers both Wood and High Elves, and more, just fine. Based on what we have seen in the post-Tasha scene, space differential is minimal.
 

pukunui

Legend
My hypothesis is that the "Astral Elf" from the most recent UA is their scheme for a new Elf that needs no Subraces: it covers both Wood and High Elves, and more, just fine. Based on what we have seen in the post-Tasha scene, space differential is minimal.
Maybe? As I said in the other thread, this book feels like one of those "end of line" compendium products where everything gets a good polish to "finish off" the edition before the new one is brought out. It also feels like a Book of Nine Swords-style experimental "bridging" book.

Since we know that 50Ae is coming out in two years, I'd rather they stop pulling a George Lucas on 5e and save all the major changes for the new edition.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Maybe? As I said in the other thread, this book feels like one of those "end of line" compendium products where everything gets a good polish to "finish off" the edition before the new one is brought out. It also feels like a Book of Nine Swords-style experimental "bridging" book.

Since we know that 50Ae is coming out in two years, I'd rather they stop pulling a George Lucas on 5e and save all the major changes for the new edition.
What this feels like is a Monster Manual 2, pretty simply. Just monster stat blocks, and some Racial options.

Whatever the 2024 iteration is, it is supposed to be 100% backwards compatible. So, continuing the iteration as they go makes sense. They aren't restarting the game, not the way they have in the past. This is aimed at people who haven't bought the past 7 years of ancillary products, while keeping up with advancemenmade, such as Tasha's rules.
 

pukunui

Legend
What this feels like is a Monster Manual 2, pretty simply. Just monster stat blocks, and some Racial options.
Given that Volo’s and Mordy’s are both still in print, this book is 100% rehashing existing content in new ways. I would not call that a Monster Manual 2. It’s more of a “Monster and Playable Race Compendium”.

They may claim that 50Ae will be fully compatible now but I’ll believe that when I see it.
 

Given that Volo’s and Mordy’s are both still in print, this book is 100% rehashing existing content in new ways. I would not call that a Monster Manual 2. It’s more of a “Monster and Playable Race Compendium”.

They may claim that 50Ae will be fully compatible now but I’ll believe that when I see it.

I would to try and dig up the quote, but I am pretty sure I have seen this set called extended Core, or something like that, where this, the PHB, DMG, and MM are all Core rules.
 

AcererakTriple6

Autistic DM (he/him)
My hypothesis is that the "Astral Elf" from the most recent UA is their scheme for a new Elf that needs no Subraces: it covers both Wood and High Elves, and more, just fine. Based on what we have seen in the post-Tasha scene, space differential is minimal.
The Githyanki in the updated form gets one of the Astral Elf's features (the "Astral Knowledge" one that lets them replace proficiencies during long rests), so the UA could have also been dual-purpose in playtesting whether or not people like the idea of that kind of mechanic.
 

pukunui

Legend
I would to try and dig up the quote, but I am pretty sure I have seen this set called extended Core, or something like that, where this, the PHB, DMG, and MM are all Core rules.
If that's the case, then that makes it sound even more like a case of "here's a cleaned-up, polished version of all the rules you'll need for this edition as we bring it to a close" than it did before.
 

And it looks like the UA Kobold is the new Kobold going forward. I do like the idea of starting a PC off with the original Kobold racial stat up, but then as PC does stuff and what not, they can "upgrade" features to the newer version. Like starting off with the Groveling ability, but then allow it to get upgraded to the Draconic Cry.
 

If that's the case, then that makes it sound even more like a case of "here's a cleaned-up, polished version of all the rules you'll need for this edition as we bring it to a close" than it did before.
And isn´t this a good thing?

Cleaning up is something that should be done once in a while to get everything up to date.

And considering, that 5.5 is still 2 years away, doing the cleanup now is actually on spot. You won´t have the feeling, that you have to play with unfinished rules if you decide not to upgrade and you don´t feel ripped of, if you buy it now and will find that you soon will get a new PHB with all changes incorporated (and probably something more).
 


Parmandur

Book-Friend
Given that Volo’s and Mordy’s are both still in print, this book is 100% rehashing existing content in new ways. I would not call that a Monster Manual 2. It’s more of a “Monster and Playable Race Compendium”.

They may claim that 50Ae will be fully compatible now but I’ll believe that when I see it.
The race section is a prettysmall part of the book: this is mostly back to back Monster stat blocks, like the Monster Manual. This is for new people who don't want to buy 6 books, and for people who have said they don't want all that Lore in their Monster book. Monster Manual 2.
 

Vaalingrade

Legend
Given that Volo’s and Mordy’s are both still in print, this book is 100% rehashing existing content in new ways. I would not call that a Monster Manual 2. It’s more of a “Monster and Playable Race Compendium”.

They may claim that 50Ae will be fully compatible now but I’ll believe that when I see it.
Some people would really rather not financially encourage Volo's.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
If that's the case, then that makes it sound even more like a case of "here's a cleaned-up, polished version of all the rules you'll need for this edition as we bring it to a close" than it did before.
Doesn't feel like they are "closing" anything: if the new Core they are working on is like this, this feels like an intended evergreen 0rodict to straddle the transition.
 


pukunui

Legend
And isn´t this a good thing?

Cleaning up is something that should be done once in a while to get everything up to date.
Insofar as they are only “cleaning up” non-core races and monsters, no, this isn’t a good thing. It’s annoying because now the races and monsters in this book are no longer in line with what’s in the core rules. Yes, we’ll undoubtedly get PHB races and MM monster stats that are like these new ones in 50Ae but as you say, that’s two years away. I would have preferred that they save all these major changes for 50Ae instead of introducing them for some things but not everything as a sort of advance preview / experimentation.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Insofar as they are only “cleaning up” non-core races and monsters, no, this isn’t a good thing. It’s annoying because now the races and monsters in this book are no longer in line with what’s in the core rules. Yes, we’ll undoubtedly get PHB races and MM monster stats that are like these new ones in 50Ae but as you say, that’s two years away. I would have preferred that they save all these major changes for 50Ae instead of introducing them for some things but not everything as a sort of advance preview / experimentation.
But they are in line with the PHB Races as per Tasha...and this book is currently exclusively bundled with Tasha's Guide, which adds these rules onto the Core. The refresh isn't likely to be anything more or less than that, anyways, with new art and revised fluff.
 

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