D&D 5E (2014) Dark Sun, problematic content, and 5E…

[Justice and Rule]

So your experience trumps mine and you somehow know what I have read?

In the sense that maybe I have a better understanding of what @Hussar has seen on the board? Sure. Why not? Why can't other people have more experience than yourself in certain areas? Is that simply not possible, or do your experiences trump all? My certainly don't in all cases, but I think in this case I may have been in a few more discussions here than you, just going off post count alone.

This reads more like because I don't see things your way I am wrong.

No, I just don't think with how you have comported yourself or argued things that you actually understand what @Hussar is referencing. But it looks like you are falling back into defensiveness and grievance instead of self-reflection.

So you will dismiss it, and ridicule me.

I'm definitely not ridiculing you, but you definitely are ridiculing other people. You were asking for an example of "Feelings for me, but not for thee", and you have basically created one.

Nice, we are done

Uh, okay.

 

[humble minion]

This thread is going to be locked any time now.

I’m not a mod, but I think we’ve reached a point of impasse between individuals with differing views and I suggest it might be better if those individuals stop replying to one another.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

This thread is going to be locked any time now.

I’m not a mod, but I think we’ve reached a point of impasse between individuals with differing views and I suggest it might be better if those individuals stop replying to one another.

Trying, I already said I was done lol

 

[Justice and Rule]

They didn't.

Paizo made it so Cheliax now calls their slaves indentured servants and Geb still has the majority of living residents as slaves used for food, experimentation, or future undead, but it doesn't mention that in current sourcebooks.

So all 5E Dark Sun would need to do is call slaves "indentured servants" or not say anything about the slaves that everyone knows exist in the setting and they'd have done the same amount as Paizo.

I mean, those still are changes. Not talking about the Geb part is certainly a difference, and if WotC didn't talk about slavery in Arthas I'm fairly sure that'd be noticed.

But also changing things like Duergar being about contracts rather than slaves and Cheliax having indentured servants is a change, and I think it was even in this thread where people talked about looking at alternative ways of framing the situation on Arthas, which I know people have also criticized. The difference is that the concept of Cheliax can survive turning chattel slavery into wage slavery because it simply needs to be oppressive, while people seem to think Arthas is deeply linked to chattel slavery. If that's the case, then people should answer how it's going to be presented and what they're going to do with it. Not a big ask, to be honest.

 

[Umbran]

Mod note:

I think this thread has showed a bunch of points to consider, but is now descending into acrimony, so I will close it.

Good night, all.