Deities & Demigods

[Tarril Wolfeye]

Shut up you fool!

I second that. Let us know more!

 

[Upper_Krust]

I second that. Let us know more!

 

[Carnifex]

One of my players has just informed me she's got a copy of Deities & Demigods...

 

[Horacio]

One of my players has just informed me she's got a copy of Deities & Demigods...

Where? Where did she buy it!?!?

 

[Vuron]

Actually if you use CoC as a reference several Demigods are in the 21-30 range of CR with only a small number of the heavies in the 30+ range.

Remember that Solars and Titans are just below godly status in many ways so making blanket assumptions as to power level seems a bit premature.

On the topic of ELH don't assume that epic feats are the equivalent of salient or divine abilities. I think it will be made clear that epic feats are just upgraded mortal feats. Don't be expecting you characters to have squamous blast anytime soon

 

[Derulbaskul]

Hi Upper Krust et al,

I seem to have shaken off the last of the jet lag so here's a new round of tidbits and trivia:

CR:
(quote)
Deities do not have Challenge Ratings. Entities of this sort are so far above the realm of mortal heroes... (snip). If you fell the need to calculate a CR for a deity, try addings its total HD to its divine rank. The result may or not be an accurate estimate of what level of characters could challenge the god... (snip).
(unquote)

Lolth:
Clr20/Ftr10/Wiz10, DR 15, 820 hp

Hercules:
I can't explain the damage bonus. My workings give a damage bonus of +45 made up of: +33 (Str bonus x 1.5) +5 (enchancement) +2 (specialisation) +5 (divine rank applied through Divine Weapon Specilisation) for a total of +45.

Ability scores:
I have checked and re-checked and I simply cannot find any mention of ability scores. I assume they use the baseline for a mortal in Forgotten Realms (just kidding- I like FR, and if you remove the novels it's a great setting) .

Alignments: Both Hercules and Kord show that their worshippers can be of CG, NG and LG alignments. I think this is simply an error as I can't imagine that WOTC would break this rule twice in one book.

Cheers
NPP

 

[Knight Otu]

Thank you for clearing that up, Derulbaskul!

But some evil influence causes me to ask more questions - if you don't mind, of course!

Does the Madness domain use the madness score and the granted domain power from RttToEE and Defenders of the Faith, or the one from Dragon #294? And how many deities use it?

Do any deities use the new prestige classes in the book?

Deities do not have Challenge Ratings. Entities of this sort are so far above the realm of mortal heroes... (snip). If you fell the need to calculate a CR for a deity, try
addings its total HD to its divine rank. The result may or not be an accurate estimate of what level of characters could challenge the god... (snip).

I somewhat expected this, but I'm not sure if it is really appropriate from what we have seen.

 

[Spatula]

Well, but "divine" could in this case just indicate the divine quality of this ability. After All, the Powers have all sorts of abilities names "Divine ..."

And it would even fit, because Rao has
3/3/3/3/2/2/2/2 cleric spells above 9th level,

Tharizdun only has 3/2/2/2/2 cleric spells abvove 9th, but 3/3/3/3/2/2/2/2 wizard spells above 9th, just the same Number Rao has.

Now,if you look up their stats, you will see Rao having a 44 Wis and Tharizdun a 44 Int (surpise, surprise...), but Tharizdun has only an effective Wis of 19 (or so it seems).

Tharizdun has a WIS of 39, I think the 19 is due to the previous granted power of the Madness domain. His bonus cleric spells appear work out correctly for a 39 WIS.

Whatever the case, I guess that "Divine Spellcasting" simply allows a deity to receive bonus spell slots above 9th level based on the related ability score(s).

To me it looks like "1+stat bonus" for the >9th level spell levels, up to the level of the stat bonus (i.e. a +17 bonus would give you 17th level spell slots).

 

[Carnifex]

Where? Where did she buy it!?!?

She didn't buy it. She got given a load of free stuff, including Deities & Demigods, cos some WotC guy is apparently in love with her sister

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Vuron mate!

Actually if you use CoC as a reference several Demigods are in the 21-30 range of CR with only a small number of the heavies in the 30+ range.

I hoped CoC would arrive this morning (ordered on Amazon.co.uk on Thursday) but alas it wasn't to be.

Applying my CR mod. to Azathoth and using 'base 4'

72HD + 88 (Divine Rank 20) = 160 Effective Levels = CR 50.

What HD/Levels is Cthulhu - I believe he is CR 34 (so I assume they gave him Divine Rank 4)

Nyarhlothotep I had heard was CR 45.

Remember that Solars and Titans are just below godly status in many ways so making blanket assumptions as to power level seems a bit premature.

Looking at the Solar it is certainly not CR19!

If we apply my previously stated (CR modification) system to the Solar and use 'base 4' for Divine Ranks (where Divine Rank 0 is equal to 2 ranks) then:

22HD + 8 (Divine Rank 0) = 30 Effective Levels = CR25

On the topic of ELH don't assume that epic feats are the equivalent of salient or divine abilities. I think it will be made clear that epic feats are just upgraded mortal feats. Don't be expecting you characters to have squamous blast anytime soon