Demonic Lore II

[Brinebeast]

I am not completely sure but I thought I read somewhere that Doresain was a Demon prince of Ghouls and once a vassal of Orcus until his realm was conqured by Yenoghuu. However in Libris Mortis Doresain is said to be a demigod and that he has recently broken away from Yenoghuu's domination and is currently independant from Orcus as well.

So is Doresain a Demon Prince or a Demigod? If he is a demigod was he once demon prince? And is he really free of Yenoghuu's/Orcus' domination?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can clear this up for me.
Brinebeast

 

[Shemeska]

I am not completely sure but I thought I read somewhere that Doresain was a Demon prince of Ghouls and once a vassal of Orcus until his realm was conqured by Yenoghuu. However in Libris Mortis Doresain is said to be a demigod and that he has recently broken away from Yenoghuu's domination and is currently independant from Orcus as well.

At least as of FC:I, Doresain is still firmly a vassal of Yeenoghu.

So is Doresain a Demon Prince or a Demigod?

Why not both?

 

[Ripzerai]

So is Doresain a Demon Prince or a Demigod? If he is a demigod was he once demon prince? And is he really free of Yenoghuu's/Orcus' domination?

He's a fiendish ghoul who became a demigod. He's undead rather than an outsider, and thus not a demon. While Libris Mortis said he had recently won his way free, apparently that lasted like five minutes, because he's back in Yeenoghu's grip as of Fiendish Codex I.

 

[BOZ]

weird, how that is.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

So is the concept of a Demon Lord vs Demon Prince gone now? I notice that Lords like Baphomet and Kostchtchie are pretty much on the level with Pazuzu and other 1e Demon Princes now.

 

[Shemeska]

So is the concept of a Demon Lord vs Demon Prince gone now? I notice that Lords like Baphomet and Kostchtchie are pretty much on the level with Pazuzu and other 1e Demon Princes now.

To some extent.

The title 'Prince of Demons' is still around, currently held/claimed by Demogorgon. But the distinction between calling any particular Abyssal Lord a 'demon lord' versus a 'demon prince' has never been very consistent anyways. 1e tossed the terms around, and 2e had 'Abyssal Lords' being those in control of a full layer of the Abyss, while those who didn't were called 'Abyssal Princes'. 3.x seems to not use the latter term at all, and doesn't make any distinction between those lords in control of a full layer or layers, and those who don't.

 

[BOZ]

I notice that Lords like Baphomet and Kostchtchie are pretty much on the level with Pazuzu and other 1e Demon Princes now.

sort of. i'd say that Pazuzu is clearly older than those two (with the whole proto-demon, aka obyrith, thing going on) and that he's essentially more powerful than those two. however, Baph & Kost seem much more aggressive in the pursuit of power than Paz, and they're catching up therefore.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Thanks. I was just wondering as Princes in 1e were clearly more powerful than the Lords, a lot of the lords had 80-100 HP, where the princes were all 120+ and some were over 200. Now it seems they are all similar in power.

 

[BOZ]

they're less far apart, perhaps? but they still do have a slight advantage for the most part, in that they are higher CR/HD/etc.

 

[Nightfall]

Not to mention Boz, some might fight each other, but the extent on which they can summon armies to fight changes/varies.

I mean a fight between Pazuzu and Kochiche(sp) might be fun to watch (very, very, very far away) but I'd still give the Lord of the Upper Airs his due.