D&D 4E Developing a full Martial Controller Monk Via Feats / Build

[Garthanos]

White lotus riposte being prickly if you are using arcane at-wills anyway.... I know likely only at lower levels or a tough day ... Precedent for prickly by way of feat anyway

 

[Tony Vargas]

This is starting to sound like it'd be fairly easy, actually.

 

[Garthanos]

This is starting to sound like it'd be fairly easy, actually.

They didnt layer the striker bit on too heavily.

 

[Garthanos]

Oh, and throws could advance...

Prone.

Prone + condition.

Prone + hold/lock, cannot stand/other conditions that last until you escape.

Indeed heroic is pone... immobilized is your lock ofcourse... but smashes enemy head into the wall == dazed and other conditions.

The basic knockdown could still get an attribute damage like wisdom bonus.

 

[Tony Vargas]

The basic knockdown could still get an attribute damage like wisdom bonus.

Or opponents STR mod replacing your Stat mod - use greater strength against itself.

 

[Garthanos]

Not as easy as a secondary Intelligence build for the fighter but still pretty doable without heavy heavy lifting perhaps.

 

[Garthanos]

Love that using strength against itself.

 

[Garthanos]

Giving the monk martial practices also seems a straight forward must do.

 

[Garthanos]

I was kind of thinking we make the Way of the Gentle Hand include the Martial Takedown stance instead of a flury but you sounded like you were thinking in addition to? But just defang the flurry. The Way of the Gentle hand becomes a modifier for the other Monk Traditions then? Like how certain feats change a bunch of different powers. (Cruel Cut Style is kind of the opposite for a fighter - with cross class impact)

@Tony Vargas

I suppose we do need to have the Flurry as a source of additional enemies to be affected by other abilities (like the pressure points) - this becomes a tactical choice do I drop into the Takedown stance or do I Flurry

 

[Yaarel]

@Garthanos

While you are designing the Monk.

Maybe also tweak the official Monk?

Basically, too many specific features are baked into the base class, leaving little or no room to flesh out different kinds of subclasses.

For example, I would like to see a Brawler as a martial Monk archetype, that fights weaponless or with improvised weapons. Basically a combination of bar fighter and mixed-martial-arts fighter, with some athletic stunts in the mix. Heh, this is definitely a nonmystical kind of Monk.

And so on.

A cleaner base, would make more room for other Monk archetypes.