Disney Gets In Bed With Sora

[TwoSix]

I tried to keep it accessible; I figured a joke about Denxyis working for Organization XIII would be too obscure.

 

[Gradine]

I tried to keep it accessible; I figured a joke about Denxyis working for Organization XIII would be too obscure.

I mean, it would make sense for them to rebrand it as Roxas

 

[Umbran]

For those who thought corporations would protect us from slop:

Disney Inks Blockbuster $1B Deal With OpenAI, Handing Characters Over To Sora
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Apparently, immediately after this, Disney sent a cease-and-desist letter over to Google over their AI use of Disney's copyrighted materials. This is on top of Disney's suit against Midjourney....

 

[Reynard]

Im also an optimist. This is not the future. This will never make the world better on any level. This is the proverbial beast consuming itself. at best.

Unless we fight it, and people stop treating it as inevitable in desperate attempts to maintain their own indifference (that part isnt toward you).

It still destroys lakes worth of water and uses towns worth of energy to no good purpose, and it will never be used to benefit us.

The idea that no good can come from AI is as short sighted an idea as believing AI will bring us a techno-utopia where everyone can be Spielberg. There are a lot of things AI is really good at, in the same way that there are things computers do much better than humans. We absolutely should be approaching it carefully and with intention and not just so that techbro oligarchs can get rich and build bunkers so they can ride out the apocalypse they created, but like any tool it is not in itself evil.

Not at all. look rather at the last decade. People are rejecting the mass produced slop, and instead hand crafts and potato quality PBS-vibes productions are becoming more popular than ever in my lifetime.

The more ai slop takes over holiday cards the more people get into handmade papercraft. The more ai slop is allowed on music streaming services that dont let you own things, the more people turn to physical media.

The trends of the 80's to 2010s are not the trends of 2020's. Things have fundementally changed.

This strikes me as pretty myopic. Just because people are clamoring for clicks on social media by pretending to covet handmaid items does not mean they themselves aren't using AI for a little bit of everything.

As much as it is not the 80s anymore, it isn't the pandemic anymore and people aren't making their own paper and cultivating their own sourdough starters anymore. America is a short sighted consumer culture, so matter what influencers want you to believe (so you can consume the things they are advertising).

 

[CleverNickName]

As much as it is not the 80s anymore, it isn't the pandemic anymore and people aren't making their own paper and cultivating their own sourdough starters anymore. America is a short sighted consumer culture, so matter what influencers want you to believe (so you can consume the things they are advertising).

Hey. You leave my sourdough starter out of this. His name is Gordon and he's delicious.

 

[Umbran]

The idea that no good can come from AI is as short sighted an idea as believing AI will bring us a techno-utopia where everyone can be Spielberg.

I think it is incredibly important to make absolutely sure we know what others mean when they speak about "AI". Those two letters are broad - too broad to be useful in a discussion of how/if we should use technology.

"AI" in the very general sense may have some good things in it.

"Generative AI" in the sense of ChatGPT, Midjourney, and other basic public offerings today? Currently, has a track record of only 5% of enterprise implementations returning the expected value, and is building economic-bubble-like circular investment in the trillions of dollars - a couple of powers of ten higher than the revenue they are currently drawing in, and chewing up electrical and public water supplies at rates that are aiming to create shortages for the communities that host data centers.

Whether or not that Generative AI will produce "no good" is not actually a valuable question. Small amounts of good at some unknown time in the future will no longer cut it. At this point, it has to produce massive amounts of good - trillions of dollars of good - not just for its corporate creators, but for the public, to pay for the overall economic and ecological risk it is exposing us to without our clear consent.

I that context, the argument you present above seems the one that is short-sighted.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

define "good purpose" and which group of people is "us"

You gotta be joking. A good purpose benefits society as a whole, solves problems in need of solutions, makes life better for most people or for the most vulnerable, etc. Making billionaires richer doesnt qualify.

And us means us. You an oligarch? No? Then you are included.

EDIT: some people are benefiting from generative AI not just companies or people invested in the companies.

Provide proof? I mean, if i go steal my neighbor's lawnmower, i am benefiting from theft, but i doubt most of us would catagorize that as "people benefiting" from it in an argument supporting theft. Which gen AI necessarily requires to even advance to where it is. there is no gen ai without theft. Period.

 

[The Attic]

Opera? Now sourdough starters? This one has been going for about 10 years and was used tonight for homemade pizzas.

 

[Reynard]

I mean, if i go steal my neighbor's lawnmower, i am benefiting from theft, but i doubt most of us would catagorize that as "people benefiting" from it in an argument supporting theft. Which gen AI necessarily requires to even advance to where it is. there is no gen ai without theft. Period.

This analogy does not work because the lawnmower is still in your neighbor's garage.

Look, GenAI commercial art is bad for art and artists and consumers of art and, well, everyone. But that is a terribly narrow slice of what AI is and can be used for. There are costs, of course, and like everything else that has the power to change the world, if it is under the control of the wealthy it will inevitably cause more harm than good, but that is not a necessary outcome. We -- people -- can demand better of our governments and industries.

 

[The Attic]

From the discussions I’ve seen over the past couple of years, talking about AI is like talking about politics or religion. People have their views and won’t be changed either way by logical or reasoned arguments.

Hence I no longer discuss it, I just have my personal thoughts.