D&D 5E Do you want D&D Next to succeed?

Dark Mistress

First Post
WotC stopping production of D&D won't change anything - someone will come along and buy the D&D name and IP;

I don't think that would happen. Hasbro as far as I know has never sold a IP once they owned it. Instead the mothball them and then in 10, 20 years later they bring them back and see if they stick. If 5E fails I wouldn't be remotely surprised if that doesn't happen.
 

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Yes, sadly; somewhere along the line they turned into an industry. And it could be argued that this single development has already sunk three editions of D&D - those being 2e, 3e and 4e - they all collapsed (or in 4e's case, would have soon enough) under the bloat demanded by the industry.

Only three? AD&D was created due to licensing issues (Arneson's name) and then there was the whole Lorraine Williams fiasco.

And 4e I can argue stopped at almost exactly the right time. I want precisely two more supplements for 4e: Birthright and Spelljammer. Complete with mass combat, domain management, and wacky semi-sci-fi stuff. Other than that I can't think of a single new supplement I want for 4e. (I'd also love a Planescape book but only if they undo the Faction War).

I do, however, want a 4.5 edition. Taking out and burning approximately a thousand feats no one ever uses and another 100 that were designed to plug holes that have been better fixed elsewhere would be a good start. As would taking the bonusses off the magic items (seriously, there's nothing wrong with 4e's magic items other than the mini-spreadsheet most of them get).

I don't think that would happen. Hasbro as far as I know has never sold a IP once they owned it. Instead the mothball them and then in 10, 20 years later they bring them back and see if they stick. If 5E fails I wouldn't be remotely surprised if that doesn't happen.

I think WotC have once since they were taken over by Hasbro.
 


the Jester

Legend
Truth. It makes me think of the current and all previous editions as D&D "Classic".

And that's about as far as I will go with that.

Worse- if there is a subsequent edition, "DnD Next" becomes a pretty darn stupid name, because all of a sudden the "next" edition was the last edition, which is kind of stupid, and it is bound to just confuse those people interested in but unfamiliar with D&D.
 

billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him)
Worse- if there is a subsequent edition, "DnD Next" becomes a pretty darn stupid name, because all of a sudden the "next" edition was the last edition, which is kind of stupid, and it is bound to just confuse those people interested in but unfamiliar with D&D.

As long as they give it a proper name when it's fully released, no worries. I work for a software company and when planning projects, we often refer to future versions as Next or Next+1. Then as we start to settle on the development and release schedule, the names solidify into 2012, or 2014 (we number our versions by year).
 

hemera

Explorer
Of course I want D&D Next, 5e, Crystal D&D, New D&D or whatever the heck they end up calling it to succeed. I've been playing every iteration of this game for 26 years now, wouldn't want to stop now. Just because I play a lot of pathfinder now, doesn't mean I've quit my once a month 4e game or biweekly Amethyst one (4e based).

I didn't want D&D to fail when I was playing White Wolf mostly, or FASA, or Palladium, or...

so why would want I it to fail now?
 


Obryn

Hero
I hope it does well and gives many gamers many excellent hours. I will get the core books and likely give it a go, but it looks like Next might be the first edition which I don't see as a clear and obvious improvement over what's come before.

I'm very happy with 4e now, and won't move on unless my group overwhelmingly wants to. We had fun with the first playtest, and will play the next one, but I think we're basically set for quite some time.

And when I want to play a retro-style D&D, I can pick up and run AD&D again. :) It's still an incredibly good game that I thoroughly enjoy.

-O
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Will you be happy if the game is popular, even if it's not one you'd want to play?

Yep. Not everything has to be my thing.

Will you be willing to give it a try to support the D&D brand that has brought so many people years of fun, even if the rules aren't perfect?

I am willing to give it a try, but not for the purpose of supporting the brand. I'll try it because I might like it, and I want to find that out.

Do you trust that the game designers are people who love gaming, who want to help others have fun, and who are trying to make a game that best encapsulates what they think the audience wants D&D to be?

Mostly. I think they love gaming, want others to have fun, and are trying to make a game that folks will want to play. I am open to the idea that they can find stuff that is good, that the audience doesn't know about yet, and so cannot currently want. That's a bit of a cornerstone of innovation.

Do you think that the benefits of having Hasbro's infrastructure to help market, distribute, and sell the game outweigh whatever limitations might be passed down from a corporate level?

As a hypothetical, no. "....whatever limitations might be..." is a lot of territory. We know little on the internal discussions, but things have always sounded pretty hands-off - Hasbro only asks that they maintain some basic profitability, it seems. And, if that's true, yes, the infrastructure should outweigh the restrictions.

Will you not begrudge your fellow gamers if they have different tastes than you?

I want other people to like things I don't. If everybody liked what I liked, the world would be BORING!
 
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Mercule

Adventurer
Will you be happy if the game is popular, even if it's not one you'd want to play?
I am overjoyed by anything that keeps the hobby alive and prospers it.

Will you be willing to give it a try to support the D&D brand that has brought so many people years of fun, even if the rules aren't perfect? (And really, have you ever thought any version of D&D had perfect rules?)
Define "try". I'm more than willing to give it a shot. We played 4e for 2-3 months before deciding it wasn't a good fit. I see no reason not to give 5e the same courtesy, other than that the play test will probably serve the same purpose.

If it turns out to be a game that isn't as fun as something else, I don't have brand loyalty of the sort that would cause me to play the second-best game in a genre.

Do you trust that the game designers are people who love gaming, who want to help others have fun, and who are trying to make a game that best encapsulates what they think the audience wants D&D to be?
Yes. Absolutely. They have bosses, though, who may be great or may be another Lorraine Williams.

Do you think that the benefits of having Hasbro's infrastructure to help market, distribute, and sell the game outweigh whatever limitations might be passed down from a corporate level?
Only time will tell. Hasbro obviously doesn't have contempt for games, in general. Whether they "get" table-top RPGs well enough is an open question, though. It may be a moot point, if the CRPG market weakens the TTRPG market sufficiently.

Will you not begrudge your fellow gamers if they have different tastes than you?
After gaming for 30 years, the preference for AD&D vs 3e vs 4e seems petty. To me, AD&D still defines the kernel of D&D. Whatever comes after that must respect it in more ways than just name. But, I'd rather see people playing a TTRPG that isn't what I consider D&D rather than see the hobby die. I may not play at your table, but that probably doesn't say anything about my feelings toward the people present.

Let's stand behind D&D Next. What do you say?
If 5e is fun and suits my needs/style, I'll absolutely choose it. If I don't care for it, I'll be playing Shadowrun, WoD, or something of the sort. I wouldn't play 3e or 4e again. I won't knock your choice, but you'll find me as scarce around here as I was during the 4e run. I spent several years struggling with 3e and trying to "make it work" before realizing that I just didn't care for it. I won't do that again. I don't have nearly enough recreation time to waste any of it not having fun.
 

DM Howard

Explorer
Well at the very least there will be the "What modules are you using?" discussion which looks like the same thing pretending not to be. There will be a very large number of combinations of modules not just a handful like editions.

And on that topic you are hoping for the demise of Pathfinder 4e & all the other hold outs.

No, no. I love all those other games like Pathfinder, Savage Worlds and Fantasycraft. What I meant is that when people are talking about D&D, not RPGs in general but D&D, they won't ask what edition.

I kind of see what you're saying with the modules but it almost seems as if at least on the player side each player can use the module he likes the best and it will all fit together. At least that's what I've gathered from reading and listening to podcasts. I might easily be wrong there or misunderstood something.
 

Summer-Knight925

First Post
I want it to succeed for the sole purpose of D&D.

I felt like I was witnessing the end of a great game with 4e (no offense, just my opinion) and that the fact Pathfinder was doing so well scared me.

I love pathfinder, I'm introducing some people to it tomorrow, should be a blast, but saying "I'm playing Dungeons & Dragons" is just that much more awesome. Everyone knows the name D&D, and explaining the brutal recent history is a mouth full, especially when you're explaining it to your Girl Friend's mom.



I call Pathfinder D&D often, and I feel D&D is actually a state of mind.
Does it have Dungeons?
Does it have Dragons?
Then it's D&D.
So I would like it to do well, for the sake of D&D, I'll probably still play Pathfinder, DCC, Palladium Fantasy, Basic Fantasy, and a homebrew Call of Cthulhu medieval.

I want it to live for the sake of the game, not my sake.
 

Falcon42

First Post
I absolutely want D&D Next to succeed. In a big way across all generations of D&D fans. If for no other reason than to shut all the edition wars the F*** up.

Having more players to enjoy the game with is a boon as well.
 

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