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Doctor Who (2020) - spoilers!

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-Amid the worst ratings in nearly its 50-plus year history, it's reported the current series of Doctor Who is losing a majority of its companions. It's reported that Bradley Walsh will quit Doctor Who following this year's Holiday special and that co-star Tosin Cole will be joining him.-
 

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Ryujin

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So now we're looking at throwing out one of two long-standing 'facts.' Sure, it makes sense that The Master was lying and was actually the foundling, but he and The Doctor grew up together and looked into the Untamed Schism together, which is what drove The Master mad. On the other hand it makes sense that The Doctor is the foundling as The Master stated, except for the previous statement.
 

Blackrat

He Who Lurks Beyond The Veil
So now we're looking at throwing out one of two long-standing 'facts.' Sure, it makes sense that The Master was lying and was actually the foundling, but he and The Doctor grew up together and looked into the Untamed Schism together, which is what drove The Master mad. On the other hand it makes sense that The Doctor is the foundling as The Master stated, except for the previous statement.
Except that the Doctor suggested the Division turned them back into child when they wiped their memory. So they grew up again, and all their memories with the Master are still true.
 

wicked cool

Explorer
I'm not surprised-Its really 2 bad they are destroying the history of the show as well. Chiballi will go down as the man who set back Dr. Who for years. In the end who will be more reviled Kathleen Kennedy or Chibnalli.

Horrible companions-4 is not better than 1 as it shortens screen time and less emotional investment

For the most part some of the worst storylines-Pale shadow compared to Smith and Tenant

I'm sorry but she maybe the worst Dr we have ever had (I would rank her with Colin Baker but him and McCoy we saddled with awful budgets/costumes etc and the franchise was dying). Plus you then introduce us to another Dr who also has no personality. You need a James gunn type director who can add a little bit of humor to this dull affair. If you want a female Dr then find a comedian (what is the equivalent of Saturday night live in England). Leslie Jones would have been far superior to either Dr as she has wit and screen presence

you took away the Christmas special-Why? its pathetic they cant get their act together

theres no excuse-kids/teenagers will binge watch older shows on Netflix such as the Office. You had a loyal audience and clearly flushed it away. BBC response was Dr Who/Star Wars fans are bigots etc. Sorry but that's not a way to win back your audience
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I'm not surprised-Its really 2 bad they are destroying the history of the show as well. Chiballi will go down as the man who set back Dr. Who for years. In the end who will be more reviled Kathleen Kennedy or Chibnalli.

My god, the internet is silly sometimes. Sometimes I swear it just parodies itself.
 




DwarfHammer

Explorer
1. I didn't see any definitive link between The Timeless Child and The Doctor, just the Master's say-so.
2. Were there Brain of Morbius stills? I was thinking of that episode, but didn't back up to step through frame-by-frame. If so, group them with Doctor Ruth, but still no definitive ties to The Timeless Child.
3. It's awfully soon to be invalidating The Time of the Doctor.
4. Susan? Clara? I don't think Chibnall has any respect for the established history of the show.

Number 4 exactly. He has no respect for the show or the characters. He’s just doing sensational writing. It’s like a bad soap opera where we’re waiting for the next absurd twist or truth to be revealed.
 

wicked cool

Explorer
The magicians got cancelled-big ratings hit this season/high production costs. Killed off a major character last year that many viewed as a "progressive wish". I was a huge fan of this show based on books and stuck with knowing they watered down/changed the history etc. This show had a big following at one point

True it is syfy and that doesn't amen as much as BBC but ratings do matter especially to advertisers.
 


wicked cool

Explorer
ok my mistake
I agree it wont be cancelled but doing some homework ratings matter? Just viewing stories form the past 5 years

I could see it be moved to a different time slot

last week people were watching and there was evidence of a dropoff mid episode based on viewers coming back for another show afterwards
 

ok my mistake
I agree it wont be cancelled but doing some homework ratings matter? Just viewing stories form the past 5 years

I could see it be moved to a different time slot

last week people were watching and there was evidence of a dropoff mid episode based on viewers coming back for another show afterwards
Something very extreme is going to happen within no more than 2 years. I can guarantee that.

Aparently over the course of the most recent season (STRICTLY JUST DURING THAT SEASON-sorry. Cant stress that enough.) alone, dr who is estimated to have lost over half of what was their current fan base at the beginning of that season.

What they are doing right now...something about it really doesnt work. Could be a lot of things but SOMETHING is not working. Multigenerational fanbases of that size dont typically just sublimate like that for no reason. The popularity of the show is seriously in danger of dying and not coming back unless there is a course correction and fast.
 

wicked cool

Explorer
I don't think they care. The message is all that matters
the message is strong female characters & less white male characters, blatant political messages and history will be rewritten

Dr Who, Star wars, terminator, ghostbusters, birds of prey etc-the problem is for the most part you alienate a chunk of your fanbase, you have horrible scripts and writing and you are destroying your franchises due to box office bombs

Alien 1&2-Strong female character, good script, Loyal fanbase-Problem with this is the scripts went downhill
 

Mallus

Hero
... the message is strong female characters & less white male characters...
When I was growing up all my media heroes were white men. Spock & Kirk, Bond, James Bond, Rick Blaine in his bar over in Casablanca.

The thing is, I'm not a white man. I can't pass for a white man, even, though I'm told I can easily pass for Chinese (but I'm not Chinese).

So whenever read the complaint about 'less white male characters', I gotta admit my first thought is: What the hell is wrong with these people? Why can't they identify with a protagonist who isn't white or isn't a guy or who might even be a woman of color (gasp!). Because, if you're not a white guy, you've learned to do this your entire life. And it's fine. It's not a bad thing. Heck, I prefer Mr. Spock to Mr. Sulu, even though I resemble and share a bit of heritage with Mr. Takei and not Mr. Nimoy.

But sometimes it's nice to see yourself onscreen (and it's not like there's a shortage of white guys in media).

And if that alienates a chunk of the fanbase, then that particular chunk of the fanbase has problems that making The Doctor a white guy from Gallifrey again won't fix.

Alien 1&2-Strong female character, good script, Loyal fanbase-Problem with this is the scripts went downhill.
Do you really think Ripley circa Aliens won't catch heat if the film were released today? You'd have a legion of guys online defending Carter Burke against than mean, unfeminine girl emasculating him (and then totally winning Mary Sue-style over yet another strong woman, the Xenomorph Queen, while the only other surviving white guy lies ripped in half in pool of milk-colored blood).
 
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When I was growing up all my media heroes where white men. Spock & Kirk, Bond, James Bond, Rick Blaine in his bar over in Casablanca.

The thing is, I'm not a white man. I can't pass for a white man, even, though I'm told I can easily pass for Chinese (but I'm not Chinese).

So whenever read the complaint about 'less white male characters', I gotta admit my first though is: What the hell is wrong with these people? Why can't they identify with a protagonist who isn't white or isn't a guy or who might even be a woman of color (gasp!). Because, if you're not a white guy, you've learned to do your entire life. And it's fine. It's not a bad thing. Heck, I prefer Mr. Spock to Mr. Sulu, even though I resemble and share a bit of heritage with Mr. Takei and not Mr. Nimoy.

But sometimes it's nice to see yourself onscreen (and it's not like there's a shortage of white guys in media).

And if that alienates a chunk of the fanbase, then that particular chunk of the fanbase has problems that making The Doctor a white guy from Gallifrey again won't fix.


Do you really think Ripley circa Aliens won't catch heat if the film were released today? You'd have a legion of guys online defending Carter Burke against than mean, unfeminine girl emasculating him (and then totally winning Mary Sue-style over yet another strong woman, the Xenomorph Queen, while the only other surviving white guy lies ripped in half in pool of milk-colored blood).
I dont think she would catch heat. Shes not a completely bald faced mary sue. Shes an actually well written and acted, as well as conservatively realistic character. Droves of people like her even today. So yeah. You're missing the point.

Ps: i believe in aliens 2 there is actually a character who although legitimately tough is clearly intended to mock people who like mary sues and she does so quite effectively. She dies like the rest if i remember correctly. Or at least needs ripley to save her. I believe both happen. Its been a while since i watched though. Either way i remember that she acheives her rhetorical function.
 
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wicked cool

Explorer
no as fans were clamoring for ripley to return-there was an alien script that would have brought her and hicks back but that got shelved for Prometheus 2.Main characters in those were strong femal characters and not Mary sues like Rey

I don't want to see the day were we return to the silly scream queens (my kids laugh when the heroine trips and flees when the killer is chasing them) and I don't want to see the days return where the first character killed in that movie was a minority and the white guy was left standing in the end

I want Night of the living dead where the last survivor is the smartest or the luckiest and I don't care what color or sex they are

the female narrative works such as the hunger games.

im sorry but these companions on new Dr who are terrible.

Yaz-sorry awful compared to almost every supporting companion and not as good as supporting characters on torchwood

Mickey smith way more interesting than Ryan-Its not race its acting

these characters are boring. The 5th Dr had 3 companions at a time and I'm sorry it worked better. Adric, Nyssa and Tegan were better characters. When Tegan left the show I kept hoping she would come back

Ive been following this show for a long time and its bad and its destroying itself
 


DwarfHammer

Explorer
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When I was growing up all my media heroes were white men. Spock & Kirk, Bond, James Bond, Rick Blaine in his bar over in Casablanca.

The thing is, I'm not a white man. I can't pass for a white man, even, though I'm told I can easily pass for Chinese (but I'm not Chinese).

So whenever read the complaint about 'less white male characters', I gotta admit my first thought is: What the hell is wrong with these people? Why can't they identify with a protagonist who isn't white or isn't a guy or who might even be a woman of color (gasp!). Because, if you're not a white guy, you've learned to do your entire life. And it's fine. It's not a bad thing. Heck, I prefer Mr. Spock to Mr. Sulu, even though I resemble and share a bit of heritage with Mr. Takei and not Mr. Nimoy.

But sometimes it's nice to see yourself onscreen (and it's not like there's a shortage of white guys in media).

And if that alienates a chunk of the fanbase, then that particular chunk of the fanbase has problems that making The Doctor a white guy from Gallifrey again won't fix.


Do you really think Ripley circa Aliens won't catch heat if the film were released today? You'd have a legion of guys online defending Carter Burke against than mean, unfeminine girl emasculating him (and then totally winning Mary Sue-style over yet another strong woman, the Xenomorph Queen, while the only other surviving white guy lies ripped in half in pool of milk-colored blood).

You are absolutely right. I will never be able to enjoy doctor who after what chibnal did to it. It’s just the way it is. I won’t be able to enjoy the character. I
Enjoy Luke Cage and cyborg and many others. It’s when they switch things up. Let’s have a black James Bond. I don’t like that. Create a new character like they did with John Stewart. Don’t rename him Hal Jordan. Love Captain Jack. Don’t twist the doctors character and make him something he’s not. Black panther love him. Wonder Woman, lover her. Just keep making cool characters and not ruin ones that already exist. There’s nothing wrong with being a man’s man. Make Clinton Eastwood and rocky like characters with balls. Wyatt Earp and so forth.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
You are absolutely right. I will never be able to enjoy doctor who after what chibnal did to it. It’s just the way it is. I won’t be able to enjoy the character. I
Enjoy Luke Cage and cyborg and many others. It’s when they switch things up. Let’s have a black James Bond. I don’t like that. Create a new character like they did with John Stewart. Don’t rename him Hal Jordan. Love Captain Jack. Don’t twist the doctors character and make him something he’s not. Black panther love him. Wonder Woman, lover her. Just keep making cool characters and not ruin ones that already exist. There’s nothing wrong with being a man’s man. Make Clinton Eastwood and rocky like characters with balls. Wyatt Earp and so forth.
I literally JUST wanted against do this. Don't post in this thread again, please.
 

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