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Doctor Who (2020) - spoilers!

BookBarbarian

Expert Long Rester
I guess inclusive means no straight white men allowed. Screw your and your forum.
This is probably unfair to you since I suspect you can't respond.

Having spotlight on a small amount of non straight white men doesn't kick straight white men out of the party. The vast majority of the world will still cater to us.

I once thought differently but looking back I'm surprised I did. Inclusion and diversity have been a big part of Sci-Fi for a long time. Asimov taught it with Robots, Star Trek with Aliens, Marvel with Mutants. Still there was a time when I had trouble with it.
 

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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I thought she was intelligent, capable, positive, and (my favorite) not interesting in dating the Doctor. Then suddenly she was just a downer. Negative and whiny in practically all scenarios. Bill was a breath of fresh air after that.
Bill was bloody awesome. My favourite New Who companion in an excellent season with a wonderful performance by Capaldi. That season was Who at its very best. So was Donna. I found Clara and Martha to both be quite boring. And Rose was fantastic, of course.
 

GreyLord

Hero
I didn't really care for Clara as a companion. Perhaps it was that it seemed at times the roles of companion and doctor got reversed and instead of the Doctor being the cocky one, it was the companion instead.

On the otherhand, I absolutely LOVE the three companions we have now. I'm not sure why people don't think they have enough screen time or work well. I think they are aces above the last doctor's companions for the most part.

Yaz has had a LOT Of character development IMO. She has a back history dealing with family, herself (and we had the episode that dealt with mental illness and showing her overcoming it and really was inspirational I felt in many ways with her story there) and other issues. She's intelligent and really a great companion, perhaps one of the best from what I've seen.

I also like the dynamic between Ryan and Graham. It's the rocky start but developing relationship...all at the same time where they are dealing with the loss of their loved one. That relationship has really cemented. In a way I see them as two sides of the same companion, both reflecting different issues of loss, love, and relationships from two opposite ends of the spectrum (old and young, husband or son, etc).

I honestly like the new companions for the Doctor.
 


Zardnaar

Legend
Personally I loved Capaldi's time as the Doctor. He's got at least 3 or 4 of the franchises best episodes to his credit.
I liked him as the doctor, loved Missy but the stories were a bit meh.

The tank, guitar scene with Capaldi was quite funny. Wasn't a fan of the Cybermen plot.

Haven't really minded any of the companions but Rose and Donna were so good.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Personally I loved Capaldi's time as the Doctor. He's got at least 3 or 4 of the franchises best episodes to his credit.
Absolutely. He's the strongest actor to hold the part. His first season was weak, but when he hit his stride there were a couple of really superb seasons.

There's one episode - the one on Gallifrey where he's in the barn - that he doesn't say a thing for the first 15 minutes. Just acts with his presence. And you don't even realise he hasn't said anything, because he's a strong enough actor that he didn't need to. A wonderful, wonderful performance.

Any Missy? Superb! My favourite iteration of the Master of all time. Capaldi and Michelle Gomez. Just sublime.
 


doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
next week looks like a filler episode. for about a minute when the massive download started I thought it was a cyberman plan.

why did he give them his dead mother? cant figure out the whole sending the historical figures to the forest/inside world.

Going to agree with others-seems like we got a bigger budget however part 2 of this episode was a major letdown

I am highly concerned at some point we are going to get a big lore altering change and I'm not going to like it. My theory is somehow the DR/Master are not true timelords but in fact are less than 100%
My theory is that timelords are the descendants of humans who were altered by time travel. You know, like how Rory and Amy's kid was a timelord.
 


doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I've wondered if they might do that reveal for years now.
Me too. Even before River Song's origins were revealed, but once they showed us that two humans coneiving a child in the midst of time travel leads to a timelord (is she technically a timelord, they never say, but she certainly seems to be one), it's pretty strongly implied as a possibility.
 

Vael

Hero
It was interesting how Clara went from one of my favorite companions when paired with Smith to one of my least favorite with Capaldi even though I loved Capaldi.

I do think that's indicative of the writing taking a shift for the worse.

How strange, I go completely the other way. Clara as the "Impossible Girl" was bothersome, it was another annoying mystery which didn't do much for me. And the romantic tones between her and Smith frustrated me. Clara was at her best with Capaldi in her last season, I didn't care for Capaldi's first season that much.

I haven't noticed a downward trend in the writing, but I've noticed a flattening. Early seasons of nuWho have had superlatively fantastic episodes, but also absolute bombs. The last Capaldi season, and the two seasons of Whittaker have been pretty evenly good for me. Nothing has captivated me as much as say "Blink", but nothing has frustrated me as much as "Fear Her", for example.
 

Ryujin

Adventurer
Me too. Even before River Song's origins were revealed, but once they showed us that two humans coneiving a child in the midst of time travel leads to a timelord (is she technically a timelord, they never say, but she certainly seems to be one), it's pretty strongly implied as a possibility.

It would go a long way to help explain The Doctor's affinity for a crappy race like Humanity.

I believe it was mentioned that River only had one heart.
 

My theory is that timelords are the descendants of humans who were altered by time travel. You know, like how Rory and Amy's kid was a timelord.
Is river song really a time lord and also is she really their kid? I feel like there is a whole lot of WEIRD surrounding her even by doctor (let alone time lord even) standards. I feel like she and bad wolf are somehow slightly not mortal (i mean not the mortal KIND of being. Not just immortal. Sorta how the demons like the beast are outright somehow higher in a way than normal life.). A liiitle bit god like. Demigods basically (so somewhere between humans/time lords/housecats vs things like the beast/the tentacle beings from another universe in classic who (cant remember their name).) somewhat like omega became.

Also totally not playing favorites or anything. I actually dont even like her character. But somehow river actually seems like MORE than a time lord. Is that weird?
 


My theory is that timelords are the descendants of humans who were altered by time travel. You know, like how Rory and Amy's kid was a timelord.
Also for the record i actually think that timelords are part human and a few other things. But i also think it goes vice verse. That is to say that those other things are also part time lord. Due to time travel im saying i think they essentially have the same thing going on that illithids have wich is to say that their temporal origin has become indeterminate. Its a paradoxical loop where timelords, humans, and a couple other races keep progenerating eachother and then diverging "the long way round".
 

On a side note, i think neothelids may actually still be extraordinarily immature illithids (just less so than tadpoles). I think THOON's true nature may actually be that its the only known example we have of a fully adult illithid pure form.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
It would go a long way to help explain The Doctor's affinity for a crappy race like Humanity.

I believe it was mentioned that River only had one heart.
Humanity is fantastic, so no explanation needed, there.

And River may have one heart, but she regenerates, and has a natural affinity for the TARDIS and such, she’s definitely some kind of Timelord.
 

Humanity is fantastic, so no explanation needed, there.

And River may have one heart, but she regenerates, and has a natural affinity for the TARDIS and such, she’s definitely some kind of Timelord.
She actually directly states the explanation for her affinity for the tardis.

She states very clearly (and at some point so does the doctor) that she is "PART TARDIS".

So thats where the affinity comes from. Literally part tardis is the claim.

Pretty sure shes part time lord too though.
 

I think my favorite companion was cap'n jack harkness.
Actually...after really really thinking it over...i think jack harkness is actually the onky companion i like as a character. I hate every other companion's guts and find them incredibly annoying. Only just now did sit down think it through and realize harkness was the only exception though. Huh...why is it that all the companions are so annoying to me? Really weird.

Oh well 🙃 😼
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
So, now the "secret" is out about the true nature of the Doctor. I know a lot of people hate it aggressively so, is that the reason there were no new posts in a while? ;)

I have some mixed feelings. I kinda liked the idea that the Doctor was a special Timelord because of the choices (s)he made for her life. He didn't need a "special" origin. It's a big retcon in ways, but in ways that's also not really a big deal to me - Gallifrey has been a dead place for most of the series, and I haven't actually seen much of the previous shows to notice how much it might retcon, because it basically retcons nothing in the "new" series.
 

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