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Doctor Who (2020) - spoilers!

So, now the "secret" is out about the true nature of the Doctor. I know a lot of people hate it aggressively so, is that the reason there were no new posts in a while? ;)

I have some mixed feelings. I kinda liked the idea that the Doctor was a special Timelord because of the choices (s)he made for her life. He didn't need a "special" origin. It's a big retcon in ways, but in ways that's also not really a big deal to me - Gallifrey has been a dead place for most of the series, and I haven't actually seen much of the previous shows to notice how much it might retcon, because it basically retcons nothing in the "new" series.
With how bad the show is currently tanking i think in a few seasons they'll retcon his new origin (along with a lot of other things. The shows looking pretty shaky on its legs right now) It will be one of the fastest "i take it back"s in the history of double retcons.
 

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Herschel

Adventurer
He’s my favourite Doctor by far. His last two seasons were excellent.

This, so much this. I didn't like his first series much, but LOVED The final two. He and Missy were brilliant together, as well, easily my favorite Doctor/Master combo. Jodie's cool, but her first series I missed Peter. I really dislike the three seasons and next format because you get "intro season where they figure it out" followed by "Yay, now we're talking" leading to "Farewell tour? We just got to know the real you!" and then "who's the new person?" all over again.

I like Graham and Yaz as companions, but admit Ryan often seems like the character-building prop for the other two.
 

Herschel

Adventurer
Bill was bloody awesome. My favourite New Who companion in an excellent season with a wonderful performance by Capaldi. That season was Who at its very best. So was Donna. I found Clara and Martha to both be quite boring. And Rose was fantastic, of course.

The more I watch the older episodes in comparison, the less I like Rose. Bill and Donna are my favorites, but Rose just feels a bit weak. Of course that may be shaped by my love of Lucie Miller in the Big Finish 8th stories, who did the "girl from the projects" in a way I enjoyed more.
 

Herschel

Adventurer
So, now the "secret" is out about the true nature of the Doctor. I know a lot of people hate it aggressively so, is that the reason there were no new posts in a while? ;)

I have some mixed feelings. I kinda liked the idea that the Doctor was a special Timelord because of the choices (s)he made for her life. He didn't need a "special" origin. It's a big retcon in ways, but in ways that's also not really a big deal to me - Gallifrey has been a dead place for most of the series, and I haven't actually seen much of the previous shows to notice how much it might retcon, because it basically retcons nothing in the "new" series.

But remember, just as The Doctor lies, The Master is even more duplicitous. And crazy. It could be his conspiracy theory rather than reality.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
But remember, just as The Doctor lies, The Master is even more duplicitous. And crazy. It could be his conspiracy theory rather than reality.

He is crazy, but he isn't stupid. And I doubt the writers are apt to say, "It was all nonsense," after making such a big deal of it - that's unsatisfying storytelling. It is possible the Master didn't have it all correct, but there'll be significant truth to it.
 

Herschel

Adventurer
He is crazy, but he isn't stupid. And I doubt the writers are apt to say, "It was all nonsense," after making such a big deal of it - that's unsatisfying storytelling. It is possible the Master didn't have it all correct, but there'll be significant truth to it.

Maybe, maybe not. It could be the Master's attempt to manipulate The Doctor for some other purpose. He's ever the schemer (in most incarnations) with an almost hypnotic way of twisting others' beliefs and memories. There are so many ways they can go with this.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Maybe, maybe not. It could be the Master's attempt to manipulate The Doctor for some other purpose.

I think, "That huge thing we writers dropped on you last season? Forget it, it was all a lie." would go over like thunderous flatulence in front of a parole board to the audience.

He's ever the schemer (in most incarnations) with an almost hypnotic ...

It isn't "almost" hypnotic. Canonically, "Both the Doctor and the Master have been shown to be skilled hypnotists, although the Master's capacity to dominate – even by stare and voice alone – has been shown to be far more pronounced." - The Master (Doctor Who) - Wikipedia
 

MarkB

Legend
I think, "That huge thing we writers dropped on you last season? Forget it, it was all a lie." would go over like thunderous flatulence in front of a parole board to the audience.
About as well as "Hey, you know how we killed off the Time Lords, and then had this big-deal plot line about bringing them back? Well, now they're dead again. And also cybermen, for some reason."
 

Herschel

Adventurer
I think, "That huge thing we writers dropped on you last season? Forget it, it was all a lie." would go over like thunderous flatulence in front of a parole board to the audience.

While it wouldn't be the first time, more like a half-truth, which has a LOT of options.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
While it wouldn't be the first time, more like a half-truth, which has a LOT of options.

Which s what I already suggested with, "It is possible the Master didn't have it all correct, but there'll be significant truth to it. "

So, sure, agree with me. I'm good with that.
 

Herschel

Adventurer
Which s what I already suggested with, "It is possible the Master didn't have it all correct, but there'll be significant truth to it. "

So, sure, agree with me. I'm good with that.

Yeah, I think we're pretty darned close for the most part, though I also wouldn't be surprised if they did a total left-turn either.
 

Hussar

Legend
Glad this thread came back. I just recently got to watch all the episodes. I thought the second season was cool and I want to see where they are going with the "reveal".

It absolutely astounds me that people complain about retcons in a TIME TRAVEL show. If there was ever a show where retcons make perfect sense, it would be Doctor Who. And, really, what does this actually change? How does the Doctor being the Timeless child actually retcon anything? That's the part I don't really get. Nothing changes. The origins of the TIme Lords has never really played any part in any of the New Who and barely played a part in old. Why does this engender such strong reactions.

It's like the Doctor coming back as a woman. If there was any character, anywhere in fiction, where gender swapping made sense, it's the Doctor. It's really sad that people lost their shit over this.
 

Vael

Hero
I'm just eagerly awaiting more Doctor Who. I've really liked Jodie Whittaker's take, and her "fam". Apparently the holiday special (moved to New Year's Eve, I think) was already filmed, and the next season is supposed to start filming this month.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Is there not a Christmas special this year then? I haven't been keeping track. I always like Doctor Who as part of my Christmas Day tradition while recovering from Christmas Dinner.
 

trappedslider

Adventurer
Is there not a Christmas special this year then? I haven't been keeping track. I always like Doctor Who as part of my Christmas Day tradition while recovering from Christmas Dinner.
looks like there is a special, but it may not be aired at christmas
 
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Herschel

Adventurer
Yeah, it looks like New Year's Day again, which is a bummer. A little Doctor in an isolated Christmas would be nice.

The trailer looks solid. Chris Noth is a bit over-the-top, and I have some suspicions.

I think it's been officially announced that Graham and Ryan will be leaving after this episode. I wonder if Ryan gets killed and Graham feels his relationship with the Doctor has cost him "everything" and walks away. That might be an Adric-type kick in the gut. I also think it could happen while the Doctor is locked away and either happens before or during the rescue. Either feelings of "You weren't there" or "We got you back, but at what cost?" This could be a fairly "Doctorless" episode, or at least having a parallel storyline for the majority of it.
 
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nevin

Explorer
I'm just so sad the best they could come up with for a season ending was killing Gallifrey AGAIN! There's an entire universe out there and the writers keep doing the same things over and over. The whole timeless child thing really didn't do anything. The council had already given the Doctor effectively unlimited regenerations. There is so much in the old episodes just waiting for a twist or two. I like the new doctor but whoever is coming up with the stories should be fired. Disassembing a Daleks armor with impact wrenches. Really? eradicating life on Gallifry for what the 3rd or 4th time?

I've always hoped that River sent a clone like the ones at the drilling site that had all the memories and thought they were the originals, to the Library and the Doctor doesn't know that. That would be an awesome episode.

And why doesn't his child ever come back. wouldn't that be a great episode. I might forgive the lousy Gallifrey ending if this season we found her(or him) on a new planet of timelords that she helped establish. So much good historical stuff to spin stories with and they seem to be hell bent on only doing "new things" and too many of them are not new they are just repeated ideas. And for goodness sakes, inject some of the hope from the first few seasons back into the universe.
The Doctor has always been some of my favorite SciFi. I hope they get off of autopilot and start having more fun and heroics and less running because they can't fix anything.
 

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