Doctor Who - Age of Steel Season 2 #6 (spoilers)

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Folks, might I suggest that when you post about series that cross the pond, you list the season number, rather than "New"? Season 1 is still "New", in the US. And in a little while, season 2 will cease to be New, so the title will become somewhat defunct.
 

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Umbran said:
Skippign the contents to avoid spoilers...

Folks, might I suggest that when you post about series that cross the pond, you list the season number, rather than "New"? Season 1 is still "New", in the US. And in a little while, season 2 will cease to be New, so the title will become somewhat defunct.
I think the reason he put 'New' is to bypass the Series 2 vs. Series 28 controversy.

It *is* Doctor Who Vol. 2 Series 2, btw.
 


Umbran said:
Folks, might I suggest that when you post about series that cross the pond, you list the season number, rather than "New"? Season 1 is still "New", in the US. And in a little while, season 2 will cease to be New, so the title will become somewhat defunct.
Will you guys do the same for stuff that you get first (its a rather longer list :D).


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Cthulhudrew said:
I didn't really like this episode myself. Pretty much the same reason as for not liking the last episode much- the Cybermen were a bland foe, not at all the Cybermen of old. These were just mindless automatons- in fact, if you'd used the Autons or the clockwork robots from "The Girl in the Fireplace," it probably wouldn't have been a terribly noticeable difference. I did like the bit with the Cyberman whose emotion chip was broken- that was kind of a cool bit, as was the Doctor's dilemma about wiping out the controls of the emotion chips. Otherwise, Lumic was still over the top, and little more than a poor man's Davros.

My favorite parts of the whole episode- Mickey. He finally got some good moments, and I think they were well in keeping with the character development he's gone through both on and off-screen (on the Who is Doctor Who? website). His leaving was pretty much telegraphed, even if you hadn't read the reports of him leaving, but I found myself hoping they were wrong, and that he'd stick around a bit longer. Even if he weren't to become a companion, I wouldn't mind seeing him pop up again from time to time... now all we have to look forward to on return trips is Rose's mom. Ugh. Jackie Tyler really bugs me for some reason.

There were also some really silly parts in this episode- one, anyway. How the heck does a Cyberman sneak up on you? Every time we see those things, they're clanking away. Apparently they do that deliberately, for intimidation effect. I also didn't like the way they were all moving in exaggerated synch with one another- I had flashbacks to "the Robot" dance from the 80s.

I understand the Cybermen are supposed to turn up again by season's end- I'm hoping we get "real" Cybermen this time around, and not these wind-up versions.

So aside from Mickey, what else did I think worked? I actually liked Rose and Mickey's goodbye at the end. I wish they hadn't started this episode with Rose and the Doctor best chums again, and instead had played off of "TGitF"- I think that after Rose had to face a permanent separation from someone she cared deeply about, that would have really played along well with the themes of abandonment and solitude that have been kind of running in at least a couple of episodes so far this season (TGitF and School Reunion), and would have served as a good bridge for reconciliation between Rose and the Doctor as she begins to understand how he must feel at always going on and having to leave others behind.
It's interesting how differently people perceive things. :)
I really liked the Cybermen in this episode because it brought home that there are still organic brains in the bodies, and they were the brains of people who had been ordinary human beings perhaps only a few hours earlier. Most of the Cybermen we've seen in the past could very well have been androids, since they were obviously the products of generations of Cyber-technology (I just rewatched this episode last night, followed by a viewing of 'The Tenth Planet').

I also found that pre-upgrade Lumic reminded me a lot of Tobias Vaughn, the villain who brings Cybermen to Earth again in 'The Invasion'. I guess Lumic didn't get an emotional inhibitor, though. He sounded much more emotional than any of the other Cybermen.

Just as an aside, I was amused by the fact that the actor who played Lumic played Barty Crouch, Sr. in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. Anybody remember who played Barty Crouch, Jr.?
;)

I thought the Cybermen looked great moving in military ranks, marching in perfect unison. Watching some of the older Cybermen episodes it's funny to see how awkward some of the extras are in their Cyber-costumes. And during the '80s the Cybermen apparently lost some of their emotional inhibition, what with the Cyber-leaders punching their fists in the air and exclaiming, "Excellent!" all the time. ;)

Oh, and I fixed the thread title. Hope that helps.
 

It was slightly better than the very weak first part, but overall still weak. Rose grows more and more annoying by the week it seems! I don't care the least for Rose's mom, her dad, her boyfriends, etc, and the alternate versions made me care about them even less. I just wish we could have a show about the Doctor instead of a show about how Rose is affected by all this.

Why did the plant blowup? The emotion chips were shut off, then next thing the whole plant is exploding. I must have missed something.

I'd give this one a 5/10, and the whole arc gets 4/10 since the first half was about a 2.

Tennent is a great Doctor, lines like, "I'd call you a genius but I'm in the room" make me think of Tom Baker at times. However the plots and themes bore/annoy the hell out of me half the time.
 

Staffan said:
As I understand it, the writer of the Cybermen episodes was only vaguely aware of what was going on in TGITF.

Yeah, from what I understand there was some disconnect between a couple of episodes and their writers this season. I know that Stefan Moffat (I think that's his name), the writer of TGITF, has said that he'd have had written things a bit differently if he'd known what had taken place in School Reunion. I can't help but think that if the two writers of TGITF and the Cybermen episodes had gotten together, I think these two episodes would have played well together.

It's kind of interesting to read things like that- I guess I'd gotten so used to a closer relationship with the writing staff on some of my favorite shows (Buffy, Angel, 24- seasons 1 and 2 anyway), that I forget that episodic televsion isn't necessarily always that closely integrated. Not that I don't think they have a plan and are directing their writers well- they do- there just seems to be a lack of close communication in some areas, whereas some other shows seem to be moreso.

(Thought, come to think of it, some of the commentaries on Buffy IIRC shared some similar stories.)
 

Flexor the Mighty! said:
Why did the plant blowup? The emotion chips were shut off, then next thing the whole plant is exploding. I must have missed something.
Structural villains :D. It's a common problem.

More seriously, I assumed tha the cyberman making machines were themselves cyber, and they went haywire too. All it needs then is something flamable stored nerby and boom! Not too much of a stretch, IMO.


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I've got to admit after School Reunion and TGITFP I was a bit disappointed by these as the pacing seemed a bit uneven and the numbers of characters involved meant that few got much time to shine.

Good things: Mickey/Rickey - a chance for some motivation and background at last
Rose in a maids outfit. ;)
Cybermen as humans that have been upgraded and can show some humanity (e.g. Jackie cyberman having memories)
the Earpod as iPod/mobile phone analogy

Bad: Lumic was too much like a Davros figure
Cybermen had little to do much of the time
 

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