does a nice, shy, meek guy have a chance in hell?

[Teflon Billy]

Maybe I will. Its sounds pretty horrible, though. Asking a girl out because I think shes ugly.

Well, as I mentioned above, it is work towards a goal, but there's really no reason to think of it that way man.

First, it will get you some dating experience. This is crucial to your development. Dating is like anything esle: if you practice you will likley get better. the better date you are, the better a chance you have of loosening up and attracting girls.

Worried about her feelings? Good. That means you are human.

But really, there is no need to be worried. You don't need to make your reasons for dating her common knowledge, neither do you need to "Fake" anything. Just act like you want to (or think you should) on a date. Try and have fun.

I'm not advocating just showing up and going through the motions. Date this girl. go out, enjoy yourself if you feel so inclined

The truth of the matter is that you are trying to get several girls who are slightly better looking than this one to think "Damn, I'm better than her, why isn't he with me?"

When and if that happens, repeat the process, only with girls who are slightly better than your new one.

And so on, until you have a girl who is pretty much in your league.

However--and pay attention here--none of this advice should necessitate you not giving any kind of "boyfriend value" back to the girl you are dating. Hold her hand in public, help her on with her coat, listen to her...

Just becasue she is a means to an end doesn't in any way mean that you should be behaving any differently than you will with the next girl up the ladder.

She will likely be happy to be dating you.

You think you have low self esteem? Low self-worth? Low value placed on you by an uncaring culture?

Measure it against that of a fat girl in North America.

You lose

In fact, it's not even close.

 

[Aaron L]

true. it is good advice.

 

[BOZ]

So, let me ask you; "what type of female do you go for?" Who do you ask out, or want to ask out? Now look around. There is probably some geeky girl, maybe a little overweight, maybe a little too skinny, maybe she wears glasses or maybe she is really pretty but hides behind a book. I'm sure there is one around you, perhaps a friend and you have ignored this female cause she isn't what you picture as "dating material."

that's defintely true. the only guys that can get away with being shallow are the ones who have enough room to be shallow in the first place. the best girl to be with is the one who will like you for you, that you share common interests in. if you only ask out all the local hotties - i mean, what are most of them interested in doing in the first place?

here's another idea - online personals. worked for me.

 

[BOZ]

OK Aaron...it's "Hard Truth" time (stop cringing, it's not going to be so bad).

BTW, TB has got the advice for you there, man. seriously. girls that are less attractive than most do need attention too. in fact, if they're not getting any attention, they are probably just as starved for it as you are! just remember that. hey, it may give you the upper hand and help you be more confident too. if she is more nervous than you are, this may help you calm down a bit!

and most importantly, if you date a string of girls that you normally wouldn't have considered being with, AT LEAST you will have some experience under your belt (heh, maybe literally - with the lights out, who cares with she looks like!)

no seriously, picking girls based on how *un*attractive they are is just as shallow as picking them solely on how good looking they are. just go for someone *approachable* and start with that. you like (picks something out of thin air) anime? if you see a chunky girl reading an manga, ask her what her favorite comic is and then slip "wanna go out sometime" in the conversation. she may be pleasantly surprised, and you may be too!

 

[BOZ]

hey, think of it this way.

you want to learn how to kill a dragon, right? well, you've been an apprentice for at least 10 years longer than you should have. do you think you have enough XP to kill that dragon? HELL NO, that bad boy is going to eat you up in one bite.

you need some XP. go kill some orcs, goblins, and kobolds, and then come back to us. you may even have to kill some trolls, but don't worry about that. challenges can be fun!

 

[Rel]

People often ask me, "Rel, why is it that you're so confident that you're an attractive individual, mind, body and soul?" And let me be clear that when I say "people" I mean "virtually nobody" and when I say "often" I mean "almost never". But regardless of that fact, what I would say is this:

"It's the Epiphany, baby." *wink&gun*

The Epiphany in question ranks right up there among the very best epiphanies that I've had in my life. If I smoked, I'd have needed a cigarette after this one. "What," you may ask, "was so special about this particular epiphany." I'm going to tell you right after another sip of this wine...

(Wine is good for epiphanies you know. Especially if you're not overly concerned with quality.)

One day I was contemplating my irrelevance and relative lack of importance to anybody but myself. (I wasn't always as confident as I am today.) One way in which I was contemplating my meaninglessness was in comparison to the long line of people from whom I'm descended. I took this a step further by adding the consideration that (because I believe in evolution) there was many a critter who came before the people who eventually spawned me. Hundreds of thousands of them. Maybe millions! How insignificant am I?!

But as I was thinking about this long line of ancestors, a thought began to creep through. What was it that these creatures and, eventually, people, had in common? Some of them were smart and some were dumb. Some were doubtlessly very complex individuals and some were unicellular. But they all had one thing in common: They successfully reproduced.

"My GOD!" I thought at that moment, "I've been bred for millions upon millions of years to be the perfect screwing machine!" "I was born to fornicate!"

Think about it...all those millions of ancestors managed to get together and do the dirty with each other. And they lacked the benefit of deoderant and toothpaste! How could I lose?!

It probably helps that I'm funny and smart and tall and good looking and a good GM (that last one probably only helps a little). But I know in my heart that I was bred for one reason...

To breed the next generation of breeders.

For this task I am supremely qualified and I'd like to think I've taken the job seriously.


Oh, and speaking of epiphanies, try this one on for size, fusangite: You need to get back into politics. Those guys score more ass than Kenny Chesney.

 

[Impeesa]

And whoever did that "Teflon Billy Signal", that was awesome

Hehe, thanks. I figured it beat the obligatory "paging TB" reply.

--Impeesa--

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

*laughing* Rel, have I told you lately that I love you?

 

[WhimsyTheFae]

"My GOD!" I thought at that moment, "I've been bred for millions upon millions of years to be the perfect screwing machine!" "I was born to fornicate!"

That's awesome, consider it sigged.

But I know in my heart that I was bred for one reason...

To breed the next generation of breeders.

Bred to Breed (it should be a song)... *wink&gun*

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Bred to Breed (it should be a song)... *wink&gun*

Rel's first book: Rel's Rules for Toting the Pumpkin: Bred to Breed.