does a nice, shy, meek guy have a chance in hell?

OK Aaron...it's "Hard Truth" time (stop cringing, it's not going to be so bad).

If getting a woman is important to you--and it sounds like it is, and in my opinion it should be--then you are going to need to put in some working hours, OK?

Now pay attention here, and don't discount what I say. People are going to--probably in this very thread--say that the advice I'm giving you is abhorrent.

You are twenty-nine, never had a woman, and have a level of self-esteem that is positively gut shot, correct?

Here's what you need to do: Date ugly women for awhile.

I've seen pictures of you and you are a reasonably decent looking guy (you also describe some current weight loss which I'm sure has helped)...so, from a normal, north american's point of view, you are already a step up in the game: You are above average looking.

Which means that you are going to be capable of making a good first impression. Unfortuantely, by your own admission, you are a walking disaster confidence-wise. I'lltake your word for this, I can't imagine why you'd lie.

So here is the deal: you need to start "fighting under your weight" so to speak. That means Fat Girls, Ugly girls, Stupid Girls...I don't care. You need to date someone who is less than you.

Settle down. This is the "work" part, it's not necessarily supposed to be enjoyable.

However, it will do a couple of things

First, it will let other girls see you with a girl. I don't know why, but if a guy is already involved with a girl, he becomes more attractive to other girls. There will be more interest in you fromthe opposite sex for no other reason than you are already "Taken"

Secondly, it will get "other girls" thinking in terms of "what is he doing with her?" when you and the freak show roll into town rather than what you describe (Them finding you repulsive) orwhat I suspect is actually the case (them giving you no thought whatsoever).

Thirdly, it will "get you over the hump"...you need to get the ball rolling so to speak, and you are going to do that by starting at the bottom and working your way up. I think if you had more confidence, you could probably start in the middle, but--and thisis not criticism--you don't.

Fourthly and finally, it will give "other girls" the impression that you look for more in a girl than classic good looks. I suspect this is likely true, but there is no way for "othjer girls" to really know this fact in your day-to-day (non)interaction with them. This is clear, empirical evidence.

So I'm serious Aaron...go date a fat girl, but remember why you are doing it. I'm not saying don't enjoy yourself--hell, she might be awesome, and you might wind up in love--but go do it, with no other expectations than starting at the bottom and working your way up, repairing your ruined confidence, actually starting your life with the opposite sex.

And whoever did that "Teflon Billy Signal", that was awesome:)
 

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Aaron,
To be quite honest, I don't see what is so terrible about you. Sure, you have some challenges that other people might not need to deal with. But you also have some real strengths. I wish I could give blood on a regular basis. But I totally freak out when it comes to needles. It has been something that I haven't been willing to address in my life.

You walk 5-10 miles a day? That's great! I'll tell you what, when I was running in high school, I would have people try to be jerks as they drove past. They aren't the type of people worth wasting any time on. I had football players try to deride me for being a runner. Mostly they were jealous at our success earned through hard work. It sounds like you have truly sorry neighbors in your town. Don't let them drag you down through their own pettiness and fear. You are better than that.

Being depressed is a tough gig. But the best way out of it is to seize control for yourself. It's great that your mother is there to help you. But you also need to take some responsibility for yourself.

If you have trouble remembering doctor's appointments, come up with a solution to fix that. Get a calendar if you need to. Write down the day and time in the calendar. Every single morning, get up and check to see if you have something planned. Do this every single day! Make it a habit! Check the software on your computer for calendar reminders or scheduling. Add appointments to this as well. Setup reminders. Make it habit to check every single day. Add in schedules and reminders for medicine. Take the responsibility for yourself. Get that routine down because there is no reason for you to feel helpless about it.

Why can't you make appointments for yourself? Are you unfamiliar with the procedure? Is there insurance information you don't have? Are you afraid you don't remember your schedule? Or is it just that doing it the first time terrifies you? You don't even need to post an answer, but at least answer it for yourself. Identifying the problem is the first step towards solving it. You can learn procedures. You can learn, or at least write down for reference, insurance information. You will be creating a schedule (see above) so you will overcome that obstacle. Go ahead and talk to the people that schedule the doctor's time. If you have to, tell them this is the first time you are taking care of it yourself. The only way to overcome fear is to address it.

Perhaps part of your problem is that you see the entire issue as one, huge problem and it seems overwhelming? The key is to break everything down into small steps. I bet you have better organizational skills than you think you do. You just need to practice at it and get better. We are throwing a lot of different ideas at you. We don't expect that you will try all of them all at once. Pick one at a time. Address one problem at a time. Make small, incremental changes that slowly turn your life around in a direction you want it to be going. Sometimes one plan won't work out. Then you need to step back, come up with a new plan and try again.

There are over 40 people replying to this thread. Remember that there are quite a few people here that want you to succeed. We think you are a pretty cool guy. But there is only so much that we can tell you. At some point, you have to take control of yourself. Only you can actually do something about making your life better. You have some great qualities, take the time to see them for what they are.
 


Teflon Billy said:
Secondly, it will get "other girls" thinking in terms of "what is he doing with her?" when you and the freak show roll into town rather than what you describe (Them finding you repulsive) orwhat I suspect is actually the case (them giving you no thought whatsoever).

Quoted for truthery.

When I first met The Universe, he was dating a rather large red head named Jessica. I instantly became attracted to him because [ditzy] "Like, oh my god! He's totally cute... and I am *so much* better looking than her! Pish - I could totally have him." [/ditzy] :cool:
 


Aaron L said:
I mean nice as in almost subserviant. But its the way I am.
You can change who you are. It's hard, but if you want to be someone else, you can be.

Aaron L said:
Shrinks cant change your personality.
You're right, they can't. Only you can do that. But they CAN help you to see HOW to do that.

Aaron L said:
Its just something Im trying to accept.
Or you could accept that you can change that, and set about changing it.

Aaron L said:
I'll add that I have Tourette syndrome . . . that along with such fear of asking for help from teachers and sometimes terror of even going to class. Im not trying to blame anyone but myself for whats happened to my life.
It sounds to me like you may have more than the normal allotment of anxiety we all get stuck with sometimes. I'm not a doctor, but have you ever been diagnosed with anything like an anxiety disorder, panic attacks, etc.? Again, I'm not a doctor, but I'm wondering if there may be something else there besides just run-of-the-mill nervousness.

Incidentally, a quick Google revealed this:

Dr. Samuel Johnson - probably the world's most famous lexicographer
Jim Eisenreich - major league baseball player (retired) and member of the 1993 World Series Champion Philadelphia Phillies
Dan Akroyd - comedian and actor
Tim Howard - goalkeeper for Manchester United Football Club

What do all these people have in common? Tourette's.

Who do you want to be? And how will you go about becoming that person? You said you weren't looking for advice, so I'll shut up now, except to say take the power.

Good luck, man.

Warrior Poet
 

Queen_Dopplepopolis said:
[ditzy] "Like, oh my god! He's totally cute... and I am *so much* better looking than her! Pish - I could totally have him." [/ditzy] :cool:
Ow, I think I strained something from laughing so hard!

:p


It also reminds me of a Scary Ex-Girlfriend who seemed to be most attracted to me when I was with someone else...but that's another story altogether...
 




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