D&D General Does The D&D Movie Poster Feature Pathfinder Artwork?

The Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves movie poster was previewed today. It was created by an artist called Bosslogic, and features an ampersand containing various pieces of D&D monster art. The poster was on display at San Diego Comic Con as part of the official D&D movie promotional event.

However, one part of the poster appears to be Pathfinder's depiction of an intellect devourer. Is this the same art piece?

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Paizo's Pathfinder 2 Bestiary (thanks to @Ir'revrykal for the pic)

It certainly looks like the same piece of art.

Now, the intellect devourer is a D&D monster which appeared way back in 1976, and has appeared in every edition of D&D since. Why does Pathfinder have artwork of one? Well, the creature was first released as Open Gaming Content 20 years ago under the Open Gaming License. Since then, other companies have used the monster, or created their own versions of it -- including Paizo in the Pathfinder RPG. The name and the stat blocks (including the Pathfinder version) are free to use.

The art? Not so much. Art commissioned by Paizo to illustrate its Bestiaries is not Open Gaming Content. While art can be OGC (nowhere in the OGL is the actual subject matter defined -- you can make any of your work OGC and available for use by others, from sheet music to 3D spaceship models), companies rarely designate it as so, and Paizo's intellect devourer art is no exception.


However, the 'open gaming license' tangent is a red herring. It's unlikely that Paramount was thinking in terms of open source TTRPG game rules when it made the poster, and this poster is not released using the OGL, so its terms are not relevant to it. More likely, somebody just assumed that that piece of art was created by WotC, not Paizo. The 'OGL' part of this conversation simply explains why Paizo has a version of the creature too, and why Paizo therefore commissioned art for their version.

For comparison, here is the D&D 5E version of the intellect devourer—presumably the piece of art that should have been used.

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It's not the first time mistakes like this have happened. Back in 2018 Old Spice released a D&D class called The Gentleman... except that it was actually a Pathfinder class!


When it comes down to it, this is almost certainly just a simple mistake--a contracted artist, not as versed in TTRPGs as many people reading this, simply didn't realise that other companies could or had made their own versions of the creature, and used the one which fitted the space. Nothing to get upset about, and the companies will likely have a quick phone call and the matter will be settled.
 

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Russ Morrissey

Russ Morrissey

Rabulias

the Incomparably Shrewd and Clever
Hm, the comment I included with the tweet I shared went missing. Anyway, the image from the 5E MM is facing right and the PRPG 2E one is facing left, same as the poster. I am guessing the person who made the poster saw the MM image would not fit the space or their vision for the poster, so they just Googled other images and grabbed the Paizo one, maybe without even realizing it belonged to another company.
I am not a graphics professional, but it is a simple task to resize and/or flip/mirror an image to fit a particular compositional space.
 

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Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
So reporters at SDCC describe the poster as "The movie's first poster was also revealed today, showing silhouettes of the main party holding their weapons in a golden dragon backdrop."

And then they show this poster:

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That's the poster all over the place on official reporting from Comic Con, like IGN. It appears to be the media asset released to official media

I think the other poster, the one that is the topic of this thread, is the BossLogic poster. Which I think is a fan made poster of his. Which is why everyone using that poster is using a picture taken with a cell phone of a poster on a wall, and not using a downloaded media asset that was released for media coverage.

I am not sure about that, because it's hard to confirm. But I am sure most of the more prominent reporters from Comic Con are not showing the poster that's the topic of this thread, but are instead showing this one I just linked to.
 
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teitan

Legend
Given that it's in the interest of both Paizo and WotC to keep their rivalry friendly, and that Paizo has WotC absolutely dead to rights as infringing here, the only question of how it works out is probably how big a check Paizo gets cut, and whether it includes just licensing the stolen art so they don't have to modify the poster.

But between the two games companies, a giant parent corporation, a Hollywood movie studio, and possibly someone creating the poster was contracted out to, who knows who might decide to make a litigious mess out of what was probably an honest (and kind of funny) mistake.
This isn’t a WOTC issue. It’s a Paramount and eOne issue. There is a difference.
 

darjr

I crit!
So reporters at SDCC describe the poster as "The movie's first poster was also revealed today, showing silhouettes of the main party holding their weapons in a golden dragon backdrop."

And then they show this poster:

d-ddomonlineteaser1-sheet-1658435402813.jpg



That's the poster all over the place on official reporting from Comic Con, like IGN. It appears to be the media asset released to official media

I think the other poster, the one that is the topic of this thread, is the BossLogic poster. Which I think is a fan made poster of his. Which is why everyone using that poster is using a picture taken with a cell phone of a poster on a wall, and not using a downloaded media asset that was released for media coverage.

I am not sure about that, because it's hard to confirm. But I am sure most of the more prominent reporters from Comic Con are not showing the poster that's the topic of this thread, but are instead showing this one I just linked to.
Yup. I tried to say the same thing.
 

kenmarable

Adventurer
Given that it's in the interest of both Paizo and WotC to keep their rivalry friendly, and that Paizo has WotC absolutely dead to rights as infringing here, the only question of how it works out is probably how big a check Paizo gets cut, and whether it includes just licensing the stolen art so they don't have to modify the poster.

But between the two games companies, a giant parent corporation, a Hollywood movie studio, and possibly someone creating the poster was contracted out to, who knows who might decide to make a litigious mess out of what was probably an honest (and kind of funny) mistake.
Nothing will come of it. It’s a promotional poster for a single event, so the most Paizo would do is send a cease-and-desist and Paramount will say “Sure” because they were already planning on not using it beyond this. At most, they’ll take it down so it’s no there the rest of the con.

It was just a promo poster for this weekend made by an artist they had working as the tavern bartender (who also apparently has a history of plagiarizing art, so I’m surprised they hired him). The official advertising poster has been separately revealed and would have been developed in house by a whole marketing team, not just a single freelancer who photoshops other people’s art together.

If anything litigious did amazingly come of it, it would very likely just be that freelancer since I’m sure Paramount’s lawyers would be well paid enough to fit in clauses protecting them if an outside contractor turned in plagiarized work. It’d cost Paizo more to have their lawyers do the paperwork than they could get out of it.
 

How could anyone not watch that?

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Oh yeah!
I'd go for CSI: Waterdeep instead, it has a bit more of the cosmopolitan angle.

Horatius of Kane, Lieutenant, human
Kaelleigh DuQuessir, detective, elf
Ar'ik del Koh, detective, half-elf
Ryaan "Wolf" Drakous, detective, dragonborn
Alexia Woods, medical examiner, tiefling

The characters fit almost too well. Particularly Horatio: "Kane" was the name of a former Grandmaster of Flowers...which is a title Bahamut sometimes takes when he wanders the world in mortal guise. A cop being a devotee of Bahamut is pretty par for the course.
 



oh boy, i think someone's about to get sued...
Absolutely no-one is going to be sued.
Paizo has no interest in starting a war with Hasbro, Hasbro has no interest in making this more visible than it already is, and Paramount isn;t going to do anything unless forced to by Paizo... which isn't happening.
Most likely, everyone will shrug and move on. At the most extreme. there will be some friendly phone calls with a lot of chuckling.
 

darjr

I crit!
Absolutely no-one is going to be sued.
Paizo has no interest in starting a war with Hasbro, Hasbro has no interest in making this more visible than it already is, and Paramount isn;t going to do anything unless forced to by Paizo... which isn't happening.
Most likely, everyone will shrug and move on. At the most extreme. there will be some friendly phone calls with a lot of chuckling.
And hopefully good natured internet ribbing! Please?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
So reporters at SDCC describe the poster as "The movie's first poster was also revealed today, showing silhouettes of the main party holding their weapons in a golden dragon backdrop."

And then they show this poster:

d-ddomonlineteaser1-sheet-1658435402813.jpg



That's the poster all over the place on official reporting from Comic Con, like IGN. It appears to be the media asset released to official media

I think the other poster, the one that is the topic of this thread, is the BossLogic poster. Which I think is a fan made poster of his. Which is why everyone using that poster is using a picture taken with a cell phone of a poster on a wall, and not using a downloaded media asset that was released for media coverage.

I am not sure about that, because it's hard to confirm. But I am sure most of the more prominent reporters from Comic Con are not showing the poster that's the topic of this thread, but are instead showing this one I just linked to.
It been featured by mainstream outlets (such as The Hollywood Reporter, where I saw it first). Additionally, it was physically on display at the 'Tavern Experience' at SDCC which promoted the movie. They're using it. The artist, Bosslogic, was also there and was actually part of the experience, being installed behind the bar in the tavern as part of the OGN interview set up by Paramount. It's not a fan poster. It's probably going to quietly disappear, but it's not a fan poster.
 

WarDriveWorley

Adventurer
It been featured by mainstream outlets (such as The Hollywood Reporter, where I saw it first). Additionally, it was physically on display at the 'Tavern Experience' at SDCC which promoted the movie. They're using it. The artist, Bosslogic, was also there and was actually part of the experience, being installed behind the bar in the tavern as part of the OGN interview set up by Paramount. It's not a fan poster. It's probably going to quietly disappear, but it's not a fan poster.
I really hope it doesn't disappear. I want to get a copy for my game room
 

Stormonu

Legend
Has anybody been able to identify where the other monsters are from in the picture? The owlbear isn't the one in the 5E MM (though close), nor is the displacer beast. The DP strikes me as a Wayne Renald's piece, but I can't match it. Very curious what image the skull is from, as well as the octopus tentacles.
 

kenada

Legend
Supporter
My bet? Paizo and WotC will figure it out without to much sweat. Probably with WotC writing Paizo a check. Probably over one of thier mutual games.

But that’s just a hopeful guess.
Obviously, WotC will have to base 6e on Pathfinder 2e. It’s only fair. Use art from PF2, then you have use the system as well. 🙃
 

Retreater

Legend
Copying images found on the Internet for your movie poster (regardless of whether or not they're owned by WotC or not) is not a good sign. This indicates that the effects from the movie may be not completed - like why not show what the movie depicts as an Intellect Devourer? Is it important to the story/theme of the movie? Is it a cool design to get people to watch the movie?
 

darjr

I crit!
Copying images found on the Internet for your movie poster (regardless of whether or not they're owned by WotC or not) is not a good sign. This indicates that the effects from the movie may be not completed - like why not show what the movie depicts as an Intellect Devourer? Is it important to the story/theme of the movie? Is it a cool design to get people to watch the movie?
Have you read any of the rest of the thread?
 


Jer

Legend
Supporter
Copying images found on the Internet for your movie poster (regardless of whether or not they're owned by WotC or not) is not a good sign. This indicates that the effects from the movie may be not completed -
No that's not what's going on here. This is about an artist named "BossLogic" who does remix artwork. He was a guest at the tavern experience at SDCC and as part of that they hung up the poster he created for the movie - which is a remix of art assets from the movie itself (the silhouettes on his poster are a direct rip and remix of the ones on the official poster) and from random images of D&D monsters he apparently found googling on the internet. Which I guess is how he puts together his artwork in general. As part of his guest hosting experience at the tavern they hung up the movie poster he created for the movie.

It's not work done by a professional marketer for the movie - it's a weird tie-in with an Internet-famous celebrity person.

(Calling it fan art is not quite right either, because it is a marketing move. But it's also not a professional poster done by the marketing department. As a side note I'm relieved because I'm clearly not the target audience for BossLogic's artwork because that poster looks hideous to me.)
 



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