Double training

[Byronic]

Wizards and Clerics have (respectively) Arcane and Religion already trained. However, they also have the same skill in their class skill list.

Does this mean a Wizard gets +5 skill bonus (because he's a wizard) and another 5 because he choose it at character creation from his class list?

If so (I have my doubts) then does this mean that the same counts if someone choose Arcane at character creation and then later on chooses to multiclass Wizard?

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

Wizards and Clerics have (respectively) Arcane and Religion already trained. However, they also have the same skill in their class skill list.

Does this mean a Wizard gets +5 skill bonus (because he's a wizard) and another 5 because he choose it at character creation from his class list?

If so (I have my doubts) then does this mean that the same counts if someone choose Arcane at character creation and then later on chooses to multiclass Wizard?

AFAIK the answer is "No" to both questions. Either you are trained in a skill (granting a +5 bonus) or you are not. You can't "double-train" in it.

 

[Grazzt]

AFAIK the answer is "No" to both questions. Either you are trained in a skill (granting a +5 bonus) or you are not. You can't "double-train" in it.

This. No "double training"

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Wizards and Clerics have (respectively) Arcane and Religion already trained. However, they also have the same skill in their class skill list.

Does this mean a Wizard gets +5 skill bonus (because he's a wizard) and another 5 because he choose it at character creation from his class list?

If so (I have my doubts) then does this mean that the same counts if someone choose Arcane at character creation and then later on chooses to multiclass Wizard?

You can't double train in a skill, as others have already said.

I think the reason this is still listed as a class skill might be related to multi-classing (most feats allow you to pick a skill from the class-skill list). Other special abilities, feats or powers might also appear, and it would look a litle stupid if they would affect all class skills, but not the "default" skills.

 

[Byronic]

I think the reason this is still listed as a class skill might be related to multi-classing (most feats allow you to pick a skill from the class-skill list).

Well, that part makes no sense for Wizards and Clerics since you get Arcane and Religion automatically if you multiclass in them.

I think it's just a mistake in the book.

 

[SilverAgent]

I would more say it's there so a new player who doesn't have the skill table memorized can go: "Oh, Arcana is an Int-based skill" so they don't have to flip back to the skill section. That sort of thing is worthwhile, to my mind.

 

[micr0c0sm]

I think its just to make it clear that those skills are in the list of class skills. There might be some classes who get training in a skill but its not considered a class skill for other purposes. Who knows?

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Well, that part makes no sense for Wizards and Clerics since you get Arcane and Religion automatically if you multiclass in them.

I think it's just a mistake in the book.

It was also in one of the previews, so I think they do it intentionally. For the "Martial" sourcebook, someone at WotC already said there were new multiclass feats, so there might later be multiclass feats that don't give the skill automatically. And there might also be other feats that affect class skills.

Imagine there was a "Skill Mastery" feat that grants you the ability spend an action point to reroll any class skill, with a minimum result of 10. You'd have to make an extra note for all classes with automatic skills that they could also use this ability on their automatically gained skill.

 

[Majoru Oakheart]

Unfortunately, my best guess is that this is a holdover from a previous version of the rules where none of your choices were made for you about trained skills. They added the text beforehand that says "you get Arcana and X of the following:" but then didn't remove Arcana from the list below.

 

[Tzepish]

I just assumed it was for safety, just in case some rules corner-case arises, and something weird happens because Arcana/Religion isn't technically on the Wizard/Cleric class list.