Dr Strange 2: In the Multiverse of Madness (Spoilers)

[Stalker0]

She helped beat the real villains of the show.

Who?

Agatha?.... all Agatha did was try to figure out what the hell was going on with the crazy magic. Sure eventually she tried to take the power of the scarlett witch...you know...the one prophecized to be a destroyer (which turned out to be on the money).

Sword?.... even though the show desperately wanted to make the head of Sword into a bad guy with the whole shooting Wanda's fake kids (which lets be honest was just plain stupid), at the end of the day Sword was trying to protect a town of innocent people from Wanda....the severe and imminent threat.

I love when Wanda turns their guns back on them and says, "I'm not the one pointing guns"...... why yes Wanda your right, your just mind raping an entire town, its weird how people get angry about that and try to fight back.

 

[ART!]

I rewatched Winter Soldier a couple nights ago, and was really struck by how the first thing we ever see Wanda do in the MCU is explode a wooden (?) block with a cold look of fascination on her face, like a kid who very calmly realizes the incredible power they have when they're burning ants with a magnifying glass. Knowing what we know now, it's chilling. She was a villain waiting to happen all along - it just took a while.

 

[billd91]

Who?

Agatha?.... all Agatha did was try to figure out what the hell was going on with the crazy magic. Sure eventually she tried to take the power of the scarlett witch...you know...the one prophecized to be a destroyer (which turned out to be on the money).

Really? Controlling an actor to insert him into the situation as Wanda's dead brother and manipulating Wanda throughout is nothing?

Sword?.... even though the show desperately wanted to make the head of Sword into a bad guy with the whole shooting Wanda's fake kids (which lets be honest was just plain stupid), at the end of the day Sword was trying to protect a town of innocent people from Wanda....the severe and imminent threat.

A threat they provoked and continually try to escalate against. Agent Woo and Darcy are honestly trying to help the situation. But SWORD is a blunt and stupid instrument trying to subdue Wanda like a trigger happy cop trying to subdue someone who is having an episode while mentally ill. They only make the situation worse.

So while Wanda may be the source of the bubble around the town and the people being miserable there, she is constantly provoked and manipulated by the very two you suggest are just trying to find out what's going on and stop it to protect people when what she needs is help.

 

[Stalker0]

Really? Controlling an actor to insert him into the situation as Wanda's dead brother and manipulating Wanda throughout is nothing?

That's the rub though, if we call Agatha a villain for that, then we have to say Wanda is 100x more villianous because that's what she is doing except its the entire town.

So while Wanda may be the source of the bubble around the town and the people being miserable there, she is constantly provoked and manipulated by the very two you suggest are just trying to find out what's going on and stop it to protect people when what she needs is help.

Grief is not an excuse for capital crimes. If someone loses someone and then goes on a murder spree, we don't send counselors after them.

What Wanda is suffering is very tragic, but that doesn't give her license to torture a town full of people, putting them through circumstances that according to their own words is "worse than death". Now it would be more forgivable if Wanda genuinely has no control, if she is trying to undo things and it doesn't work. But that's not the case, we learn early on in the show that Wanda does have some understanding of what she is doing....and doubles down.

 

[billd91]

That's the rub though, if we call Agatha a villain for that, then we have to say Wanda is 100x more villianous because that's what she is doing except its the entire town.

Grief is not an excuse for capital crimes. If someone loses someone and then goes on a murder spree, we don't send counselors after them.

She's not committing capital crimes that I'm aware of. Is there a murder spree going on in her sitcom life?

What Wanda is suffering is very tragic, but that doesn't give her license to torture a town full of people, putting them through circumstances that according to their own words is "worse than death". Now it would be more forgivable if Wanda genuinely has no control, if she is trying to undo things and it doesn't work. But that's not the case, we learn early on in the show that Wanda does have some understanding of what she is doing....and doubles down.

She has an understanding that she's sequestered the town, not that she's torturing people. She doesn't learn that they're subjected to her nightmares until the end. She may ultimately have control, but she has no knowledge of that "worse than death" downside so intent to inflict that torture is absent.
A significant difference between what Agatha is doing and Wanda is doing is the level of knowledge and intent. Wanda intends to keep her sitcom life sequestered from the outside and, yes, that involves keeping people there against their will. But she doesn't know the suffering she's inflicting beyond being unable to leave. She doesn't seem fully cognizant just how much she's controlling people aside from forcing them into her sitcom life. Agatha? She is acting with full intent and premeditation, stirring that pot of crazy Wanda stew.

 

[pukunui]

What I want to know is: will the Agatha spin-off be a prequel, covering some of her life before Westview, or will it be a sequel in which she escapes her mental imprisonment and does stuff after?

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

What I want to know is: will the Agatha spin-off be a prequel, covering some of her life before Westview, or will it be a sequel in which she escapes her mental imprisonment and does stuff after?

616-Wanda is dead, so I would think her spells are ended as well, which means Agatha is free again to run amuck. Maybe she will do her own show and join Hocus Pocus as the fourth sister.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Agatha?.... all Agatha did was try to figure out what the hell was going on with the crazy magic. Sure eventually she tried to take the power of the scarlett witch...you know...the one prophecized to be a destroyer (which turned out to be on the money).

Agatha was already bad and would have probably murdered everyone in the town if it would have gotten her the Scarlet Witch powers. Wanda did not become evil until the Darkhold got her. Westview was collateral damage from the temporary insanity brought on by her intense grief.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Who?

Agatha?.... all Agatha did was try to figure out what the hell was going on with the crazy magic. Sure eventually she tried to take the power of the scarlett witch...you know...the one prophecized to be a destroyer (which turned out to be on the money).

Except her motives had nothing to do with the prophecy and everything to do with wanting the power herself.

Sword?.... even though the show desperately wanted to make the head of Sword into a bad guy with the whole shooting Wanda's fake kids (which lets be honest was just plain stupid), at the end of the day Sword was trying to protect a town of innocent people from Wanda....the severe and imminent threat.

I guess we're ignoring the whole "Let's dissect Vision's body and see if we can create a new android out of him since he wasn't a real person"?

 

[MGibster]

Try this: take out all the special effects and musical scores and then tell me the story of that movie. Narratively, how coherent and focused is it? How well does it hold together?

In a nutshell, it was about Dr. Strange's journey to accept that he couldn't always be in control and sometimes he had to let someone else make the big play. It's not exactly complicated or groundbreaking, none of the Marvel movies are, but it's coherent.