[Dragon] Lord, the cheese...

[S'mon]

That was not at all what I was advocating. I said that I wouldn't accept such a job in the first place. And it goes far beyond the ability to read Dragon at work. If you aren't allowed to read maxim, vogue, or some other magazine that is sold in grocery stores, then they are clearly so conservative and buttoned up that the company culture itself could not possibly be healthy.

Personally, I definitely wouldn't read Maxim at work, and I'm not exactly a model of political correctness. I think a lot of people might find it offensive - offensive enough to laugh at me, anyway...

Do you support the right to eg look at Internet pictures of women in bikinis while at work, say? Again, I'd consider that a no-no. It seems unprofessional. I'd agree you should be allowed to read succubus-covered Dragon at work (in a break!), but it'd be courteous to not hawk it round the office showing everyone the cover, too. Bend the pages over and read it without the cover showing.

 

[Larry Fitz]

Conservative companies are the way that theyare because the laws regarding sexual harassment in the US boil down to this:

If someone claims to be offended, then they are.

Bearing that in mind, conpanuies try to be sen making a good faith effort to deter offensive behavior in the work place. As ridiculous as it seems if the line is drawn that far over, there is little or no chance of overt sexual harassment in those environments.

All of this ignores the basic point. Are the sales of Dragon really affected that much by a sexy cover? Will Paizo lose income by having non-sexy covers? Will any of you stop buying the magazine if they spend a year doing nothing but covers of say... dragons? Non-sexy ones, I mean... you know, no "come hither" looking sleek and stylish kind of dragons... um... nevermind that... Seriously, the magazine is not about sex, it's about gaming, and yes there are sexual themes in gaming, but there are also scatalogical themes in gaming, should there be cover art of that? Polyhedrons (dice) are used in gaming, who wants to see a cover of a clay D20? Okay, other than AlsiH2O, anyone? I think Harlock had it right, Does Paizo stand to lose more customers by catering to the so-called "Mature" market, or by going more middle of the road? All that being said, I'm not sure this particular cover should be the poster child for offensively sexy covers, it's really kind of tame.

 

[Pagan priest]

I should have started reading this earlier. Way to much time just to reach this point.

It was mentioned earlier that Americans have bad attitudes about sex. This is far too true, and in ways that are very harmful to Americans. If half naked women on the covers of Dragon can help, that is a good thing. Ultimately, no one anywhere at any time should have a negative reaction to seeing a portrayal of breasts. Please bear with me for I am being VERY serious about this issue.

As a way of showing status in decades past, many women bottle fed their babies, with the idea that only a very poor woman couldn't afford to do so. This abominable practice was so wide spread that many women today are unsure HOW to breast feed. While laws are changing, last I heard there were still places a woman could be charged with indecent exposure for breastfeeding in public. Even without the law harassing breastfeeding women, far too often they have been treated as though they were doing something "dirty" or "shameful" if their child got hungry in public.

The only way this disgusting attitude will change is by spreading acceptance of seeing skin.

 

[Darrin Drader]

I'm with you Pagan Priest. I would also like to point out that there's a definite difference between actual harrassment and offensiveness. If someone gets offended by something I may be looking at or reading, I tell them to F-off. If I harrass someone, then they have every right to take action.

 

[Emirikol]

Fantasy art should not be censored!

Over the last few years, and with the release of Dragon/Dungeon's 'semi-mature' content, there's been a movement in the conservative portion of the gaming community to do away with the showing of skin or beauty in fantasy artwork. This has really gotten my gumption up to say that I can speak for the MAJORITY when I say I like the chainmail bikini look of fantasy art.

I've noticed that I'm not the only one. The Spectrum Fantasy Art books are full of the beauty of the human form. Take Salvador Dali, Royo, Monte Moore, Dan Horne, or Arnie Swekel and you'll see what I mean.

The feeling I'm getting is that a person is WIERD if they DON'T like chainmail bikini looks in their fantasy art. We must ask these religious conservatives: What should be on the cover of our gaming magazines and products? Puritan art and biblical images? No offense, but I prefer beautiful covers with elements of classic fantasy as opposed to the opposite of that.


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[Olive]

Re: Fantasy art should not be censored!

The feeling I'm getting is that a person is WIERD if they DON'T like chainmail bikini looks in their fantasy art. We must ask these religious conservatives: What should be on the cover of our gaming magazines and products? Puritan art and biblical images? No offense, but I prefer beautiful covers with elements of classic fantasy as opposed to the opposite of that.

TROLL!!!

but seriously, i'm about as far from a religious conservative as you get, and i think that style of art is tedious and dull.

 

[Kai Lord]

You should know better. Post deleted.

- Piratecat

 

[Darrin Drader]

Yeah, big surprise, but I agree with Emirikol.

Take that for what its worth from the iconic troll.

 

[Bran Blackbyrd]

I've deleted Bran's thread because it responded to the deleted post of Kai Lord, above. - Piratecat

 

[Piratecat]

I am not closing this thread, and I don't take kindly to members who announce that they're going to post controversial opinions in order to assure that the thread DOES get closed. In this case, that means that those posts will be deleted, and the members in question will be dealt with in other ways. I hope that's exceedingly clear.

Be respectful of other people's opinions, folks. Don't post if you're angry. And keep this thread on topic. Violations of these simple guidelines will not make me a happy moderator.