[Dragon] Lord, the cheese...

[Bran Blackbyrd]

Hehe, it's not often you see a thread come back from the dead.
I just hope you don't regret it Piratecat.

Just so you know, I wouldn't have quoted that post if I had known that it was going to be deleted anyway. I usually get to these threads after they've been closed/deleted, not during the act.
I must be the early byrd this time.

 

[tburdett]

I frankly find covers like these embarassing. They harken to the image of the 13 year-old nerd who's intimidated by women, and likes to look at sexy pictures of them. That's fine, when I was 13. That was a long time ago for me, and most of Paizo's readership. If they want to do that sort of thing, they can. But I really wish they wouldn't. I don't like having to find a place to keep such materials out of view for my children, in-laws and co-workers. I'd like to be able to proudly mention my hobby, rather than make excuses for it's materials. The inside of the issue is great stuff, too.

That sums it up 100% for me.

 

[tburdett]

Nope. I have a mortgage, a child, two cars, two student loans, multiple credit card bills, my spouse is currently unemployed and I still would refuse to work for such a company, or encourage her to work for one. Sorry, but you have to stand up for your own humanity sometimes.

Oh the humanity! Not being able to read possibly offensive material at work! Where will it end, where will it end?!?

It's sad that you would rank "Choice of reading material." over "Providing for my family." on your list of priorities.

 

[S'mon]

13-year-old nerds are the future of the industry!

Seriously, appealing to 35-year-old DnD playing mothers & fathers who don't want their children exposed to pictures of succubi might go down well on these boards, but it doesn't seem like a great way to maximise revenue.

Edit: oh, I too agree with Emirikol.

 

[tburdett]

13-year-old nerds are the future of the industry!

Seriously, appealing to 35-year-old DnD playing mothers & fathers who don't want their children exposed to pictures of succubi might go down well on these boards, but it doesn't seem like a great way to maximise revenue.

Edit: oh, I too agree with Emirikol.

Yeah, you're right, those 13 year olds have much more money to spend on these products than I do! What was I thinking?

 

[S'mon]

Yeah, you're right, those 13 year olds have much more money to spend on these products than I do! What was I thinking?

I certainly had a hell of a lot more disposable income free to spend on games when I was 13 than I do now I'm married!
But my point was that 13 year olds you hook grow up to be college students and eventually adults. It's important to keep attracting fresh RPGers at an impressionable age.

 

[WizarDru]

I certainly had a hell of a lot more disposable income free to spend on games when I was 13 than I do now I'm married!
But my point was that 13 year olds you hook grow up to be college students and eventually adults. It's important to keep attracting fresh RPGers at an impressionable age.

Right you are...a task made immeasurably easier for me when I don't have to screen my D&D materials for my son and daughter.

And trust me, if you don't have more disposable income now than when you were 13, either you were rich as a child or you ain't livin' right. In the last six months, I've gotten a Gamecube, Xbox, Twelve video games, a Tivo, a portable CD-player, a laptop, three board games, a dozen RPG books and a few other sundry game thangs.

And to clarify, once again, if Paizo wants to make such covers, I'm not telling them to stop. I'm telling them I don't like them. What kind of covers would I like to see? Take a look at the 'golden age' of Dragon, say from issues 70-120 or so, for an idea. Remember the 'chess' covers? Loved those. I'm not a big Elmore fan, but the Dragons snow-battle cover was nice. How about something to do with an actual adventure, for a change, instead of just some overglorified GQ-esque cover shots? I'm tired of just a picture of someone standing, looking at the 'camera'.

 

[Holy Bovine]

Re: A word from the young...

I found this month's Dragon cover to be well ... to be perfectly honest, nothing to yack about. I goto a school were the majority of magazines feature buxom women spread eagle all over chrome laden cars. Seeing a woman with a skull and bone brassiere on the cover of a hobby magazine is in no way (IMHO) offensive. Take a look at your everyday video game magazines, there are a fair share that also feature women as their cover art. They're appealing to a demographic.

I understand that some may find the cover a tad over the top ... but you can always do what my mother did when she got a cosmo or a vogue that was a bit too revealing ... draw a shirt on it

[emphasis mine] Heh, this is the best suggestion put forth in this thread. Too bad it seems to have been lost in all the shouting

I was amazed that this cover sparked so much 'controversy' - it really didn't have much 'cheesecake' to it - it was a demon, it was female. Fully clothed (except for the shoulders and gangly stick arms). Some people do get upset about the smallest of things.

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

I'm with Holy Bovine on this one. It's just a picture...*shrug*...

Although reading S'mons comments has allowed me to understand my DM better!

 

[Darrin Drader]

What kind of covers would I like to see? Take a look at the 'golden age' of Dragon, say from issues 70-120 or so, for an idea. Remember the 'chess' covers? Loved those. I'm not a big Elmore fan, but the Dragons snow-battle cover was nice. How about something to do with an actual adventure, for a change, instead of just some overglorified GQ-esque cover shots? I'm tired of just a picture of someone standing, looking at the 'camera'.

On this point, I'm in total agreement. Ever since 3E was released I've liked the magazines but generally not liked the covers due to their lack of imagination.