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DS9-Better of the trek shows?

DS9 was definitely better on character development, but I would say I liked both TNG and DS9 equally for different reasons. Also glad Q made his appearance on DS9- (Q-"You hit me! Picard never hit me!" Sisko- "I'm not Picard.") always enjoable (not really on topic, but had to be said).

My one complaint is that I recenly saw the season finale in rerun and was VERY disappointed. Thought it was quite lame.

Also wonder why it took so long for them to introduce the Defiant.
 

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It was definitely the least awful of the new trek series. It wasn't as pedantic as STNG and more inteligent than Voy.

However it still shared the plot elements trumping logic and the ham handed morality they were clubbing you with.

I remember one episode in particular it was the one with the Cardassian who was supposed to have commited a war crime during the occupation. Of course it turned out that he really wasn't that bad a guy, had tried to stop the attrocity and was practically trying to get himself killed to atone for what had happened. So things are more or less resolved and he was going to be heading back Cardasia, when an outraged Bajoran stabed him in the back killing him.

I remember sitting there and thinking "Uh, it's just a knife wound, if they'd just bother to rush him to the med lab, we could have saved him with our current level of technology. I mean Bashir was right there and with 300 years worth of technological advancement, he should have just looked down and said "Oh don't worry about it. It's not like he's seriously dead. I'll have him up and around in about half an hour."

It's a shame really, the cast in DS9 was really first rate for the most part. Sisko was by far the best of the new trek leaders, but the plots only rose to the level of "not as excruciatingly awful as STNG or Voyager".
 

DS9 was a wonderful show. Seasons 4-7 were excellent. Everything that came before that was a mixed bag that ranged from boring to really interesting.

TNG had some very special moments and the best series finale I've ever seen until Angel tied it. TOS was TOS. Voyager was terrible with moments of good entertainment. Enterprise suffered from Voyager-lash and really didn't hit stride until season 4 when it was doomed to cancellation.

While DS9 was the least Trek-ish of all Treks, it had the best characters since Kirk, Spock and Bones. While Picard and Data were great characters, TNG didn't have the villains it needed to hit home time after time, with the exception of Q and he wasn't really a villain - more like an antagonist. Garrak (probably one of my all time favorite screen characters), Dukat, Weyoun, Kai Winn and Eddington were all great supporting characters and those are just the major ones.

The Dominion War, the Klingon and Romulan machinations and the station's capable crew, all with their own interesting backstories and conflicts, made the show entertaining at every turn. The turning point was, oddly enough, when Worf came on board at the start of season one. The writing became bolder and the plots and characters became just a tad darker.

I never liked the Emissary plots with Sisko but they weren't terrible so I lived through them and concentrated on the rest of the show. All the different conflicts, be they wars, politics or espionage were well done and tied into the main story. There was misdirection, betrayal and flawed characters that we hadn't seen since TOS. That's what made the show what it was.

And just so it's not all flattery - I hated the second hour of the season finale. It was weak and felt rushed. I had a feeling that they had enough material for another season and later found out that they did but Paramount wanted to have Voyager on the air by itself and told the writers to wrap things up. The result was a weak ending to a very entertaining TV series.
 


When it comes to individual epsiodes, there are more TNG individual episodes that I like better. However, over all, in terms of the complete series, characters, etc, I like DS9 the best.

(never got very into Voyager and never had a chance to see Enterprise, and don't remember TOS very well.)

DS9 had a good web of intercharacter relations (everyone had very distinct relationships, some good, some bad, with the other characters) and there was no/little distinct good or bad, just lots of grey.
 


Yeah, the supporting cast was filled with Sci-Fi veterans. Jeffrey Combs played about a dozen or more different characters himself throughout the series until they settled him into Weyoun (he also continued with the Trek verse playing an Andorian in Enterprise). Andrew Robinson (Garak) was awesome in his role. As was Marc Alaimo as Dukat who's character was perfect in believing he was doing the Bajorans a favor throughtout the entire series. His twisted reasoning was well played by the actor. I still enjoy watching this series (as it airs constantly on Spike).
 

DS9 - my personal favorite...great storylines, great character development, good acting. It and Enterprise are the two trek shows I want on dvd. (I like Enterprise, I know I know it's not that popular, but I like it :) ).

Voyager started off great, with great premise and good overall plot...but then they brought in the Borg, and kept the Borg, and still kept the Borg, and ended with the Borg, and it had just way too much Borg for my personal tastes... plus, 7of9 (is that her name?) was way overrated.

TOS and TNG had the alien of the week flavor going... some were good, some were poor, but both decent shows.... but no real character development (at least to me).
 

Kesh said:
Unfortunately, I gave up on DS9 after about season 3 or 4. Which, from what I'm learning, was right before it started getting good again. :(

Maybe if I can ever catch reruns in order again, I'll give it a shot.

Spike weekdays at 11am and noon. They'er getting towards the end, so you'll have to wait a while until the work their way back around to that point.

Darthjaye said:
Jeffrey Combs played about a dozen or more different characters himself throughout the series until they settled him into Weyoun (he also continued with the Trek verse playing an Andorian in Enterprise).

He also regularly appeared as Brunt, Grand Nagus Zek's nemesis (who was played by Wallace Shawn).
 

fett527 said:
Also wonder why it took so long for them to introduce the Defiant.

At first they didn't want a ship at all, settling for the Runabouts to get the crew to locations other than DS9 itself. Eventually, they decided that the crew did need a better ship, particularly if they were to explore the Gamma quandrant more.

In other words, they didn't think of it right away. :)
 

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