D&D 5E Eberron versus Multiverse

[Yaarel]

But the creator of Eberron just told you that nothing has really changed.

The creator of Eberron affirmed:

‘The people of Eberron wouldn't identify the "gods" of FR as gods.’

According to Eberron, it is an error to worship Forgotten Realms ‘gods’.

The problem is the polytheistic extremism and religious supremacism that infects Forgotten Realms, even to the point of the ethically disgusting religious terrorism of the Wall of the Faithless.

The solution is the decentered methodology that affords multiple points of view, and the embrace of multiculturalism.

The solution is Eberron.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

The creator of Eberron affirmed:

‘The people of Eberron wouldn't identify the "gods" of FR as gods.’

According to Eberron, it is an error to worship Forgotten Realms ‘gods’.

The problem is the polytheistic extremism and religious supremacism that infects Forgotten Realms, even to the point of the ethically disgusting religious terrorism of the Wall of the Faithless.

The solution is the decentered methodology that affords multiple points of view, and the embrace of multiculturalism.

The solution is Eberron.

The solution is to not get upset that a game has a specific cosmology as its default.

 

[QuentinGeorge]

The 5E PHB explicitly stated that Takhis is Tiamat. Doesn't have to be that way in your game, but that's the only way WotC is going to go in any Dragonlance product.

Where exactly is this? All I can see is the deity list in the end where Takhisis and Tiamat are listed separately and, crucially, with different domains. (Tiamat, Trickery; Takhisis, Death).

I mean sure, they share a form (which is only one of Takhisis' avatars, and not even her favourite) and the title "Queen", but have different motivations, histories, homes, families, worshippers, personalities.

 

[Salthorae]

The need is a methodology that is functionally robust that can respect diverse kinds of religious worldviews, from diverse cultures of a setting, from multiple interpretive perspectives.

You say this and then you crap on FR for intruding on Eberron. You obviously are not that well versed in FR lore or you'd know that there is a multiplicity of religious worldviews in the world of Faerun, not just the polytheism present. Even with that, I'd say you misrepresent the worship in Faerun. Many of the common folk are more Monolatrists than Polytheists.

I would argue with all their fanaticism and blathering about Cyric being the "one true god" that his worshippers to a large degree are monotheists.

There is pantheism of the Adama as well.

Zakhara's pantheon is aloof and gods of concepts rather than portfolios.

There are also ancestor worshiping Barbarians and a myriad of other types of faith and worship in the FR.

Don't paint the FR with a broad generalization and then use that generalization to try and crap on something else that FR doesn't even touch as noted by the actual creator of the setting.

Please.

 

[DEFCON 1]

Look, if Yaarel wants to get all worked up about the polytheistic supremecy of the Forgotten Realms, let's just let him. He's been going on about it for years, so it's not going to end.

The important part of course though is just pointing out that he's never going to get what he actually wants, which is somehow a re-write of the 5E Player's Handbook that makes deific ambiguity "core" to the game... because WotC realizes that worrying about "Core" is inherently ridiculous in a game specifically designed to be whatever a player wants it to be. They don't care about "Core" D&D, and they aren't going to waste thousands of dollars to re-write and re-print the books for the few that do.

 

[Salthorae]

The problem is the polytheistic extremism and religious supremacism that infects Forgotten Realms, even to the point of the ethically disgusting religious terrorism of the Wall of the Faithless.

Huh?

Oh, you mean like how the Church of the Silver Flame in Eberron went on a genocidal rampage against Shifters and Lycanthropes throughout the continent of Khorvaire? That kind of religious terrorism?

 

[QuentinGeorge]

The creator of Eberron affirmed:

‘The people of Eberron wouldn't identify the "gods" of FR as gods.’

According to Eberron, it is an error to worship Forgotten Realms ‘gods’.

The problem is the polytheistic extremism and religious supremacism that infects Forgotten Realms, even to the point of the ethically disgusting religious terrorism of the Wall of the Faithless.

The solution is the decentered methodology that affords multiple points of view, and the embrace of multiculturalism.

The solution is Eberron.

Looks like you don't like the cosmology and religious set up of Toril. Cool - I don't either, I handle religion in my homebrow differently.

But the Wall of the Faithless has nothing to do with Faerun. It doesn't affect them. You can be as atheist as you want on Eberron and Kelemor won't touch you.

Guess what. Prince Phillip is a god in some islands of the Pacific. Prince Phillip exists. Neither of those truisms mean that suddenly everyone else's religion is invalidated.

Mystra has a ton of power. But she has been killed and has been proved falliable. She may not be any more powerful than some of the imprisoned overlords on Eberron. Why would a scholar in Sharn think that she's a god?

 

[Doc_Klueless]

The creator of Eberron affirmed:

‘The people of Eberron wouldn't identify the "gods" of FR as gods.’

Which in no way implies or says that the gods of FR are not gods. Just that Eberronites wouldn't see them as such. You just spent several pages whining about how Eberron's Gods were not gods and didn't exist. And now you're... Eberron's Gods are the One (several) True Gods!! Hallelujah!!

The solution is...

pre-destruction though nothing has changed so it was never destroyed

...Eberron.

 

[FlyingChihuahua]

Huh?

Oh, you mean like how the Church of the Silver Flame in Eberron went on a genocidal rampage against Shifters and Lycanthropes throughout the continent of Khorvaire? That kind of religious terrorism?

The Silver Flame moves in mysterious ways, don't question it. Omniscient morality licence and all that.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Huh?

Oh, you mean like how the Church of the Silver Flame in Eberron went on a genocidal rampage against Shifters and Lycanthropes throughout the continent of Khorvaire? That kind of religious terrorism?

Well, an offshoot of the Church, after many years of being manipulated by were-creatures in between staving off assaults by ever growing numbers of were-creatures, in a scenario that takes the lycanthropic curse very seriously as a plague.

The main church didn’t do any such thing.