Elminster/Time Stop Errata

[gfunk]

Pre-errata FRCS: Elminster immune to Time Stop

Post-errata FRCS:Elminster immune to Temporal Stasis

Source?

Couldn't find it in FRCS errata or offical DND FAQ.

Please help.

 

[kreynolds]

Here's a Sage Reply...

I believe I read somewhere that Elminster is immune to Temporal Stasis instead of Time Stop, as written in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting. I don't remember where I read this and have searched all the errata I can find. Is this true? It seems it would be impossible or foolish to choose immunity to Time Stop, since it would mean you could never cast it (range: personal).

Hmmmm.....
That should be in the FRCS errata. Yes, Elminster is immune to temporal stasis.

 

[gfunk]

Thanks man!

 

[Skaros]

I'll have to dig around. I've got a sage advice response that there is NO error with his immunity to time stop, which made no sense, of course.

-Skaros

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Well, it made sense - Elminster is the chosen of Mystra, the God(dess?) of magic. If she doesn`t want one of his enemies to be time stoped, she just does not allow it!
"Spell fails". Or Elminster shares the time frame of the enemy wizard, and than, in one moment, there is Elminster and his enemy, and zero secons later, 3 Fireballs explode onto the enemy wizard, who had used his 1d4+1 rounds to watch surprised Elminster beeing able to act.

Mustrum Ridcully

 

[gfunk]

Well, it made sense - Elminster is the chosen of Mystra, the God(dess?) of magic. If she doesn`t want one of his enemies to be time stoped, she just does not allow it!
"Spell fails". Or Elminster shares the time frame of the enemy wizard, and than, in one moment, there is Elminster and his enemy, and zero secons later, 3 Fireballs explode onto the enemy wizard, who had used his 1d4+1 rounds to watch surprised Elminster beeing able to act.

Mustrum Ridcully

It only "makes sense" in that Mystra is the goddess of magic and therefore it means you can do whatever you want -- the rules be damned. IMO, this is a very, very poor way to run a game. Even deities follow the rules after all.

However, with the release of the ELH you could just give Elminster Spell Stowaway (Time Stop) as a feat. This would basically replicate what you wanted to do.

 

[Umbran]

Even deities follow the rules after all.

Not necessarily true. What rules the gods do, or don't, follow is entirely up to the individual DM. Deities and Demigods isn't a core book, you know.

 

[kreynolds]

Not necessarily true. What rules the gods do, or don't, follow is entirely up to the individual DM. Deities and Demigods isn't a core book, you know.

Admit it. This type of response is merely a total rule-0 "I can do whatever I want in my game, so na-na-na-boo-boo, poopoo on you, it's my party and I'll cry if I want to, no matter what the rules say" cloaked in the lame excuse of "it's not a core book". Come on, Umbran. You can do better than that.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Well, it's funny, I'm dead sure I read somewhere that Elminster is Immune to temporal stasis instead of time stop, but I can't find it, and I looked both in the FRCS errata and the FAQ

Well, it made sense - Elminster is the chosen of Mystra, the God(dess?) of magic. If she doesn`t want one of his enemies to be time stoped, she just does not allow it!
"Spell fails". Or Elminster shares the time frame of the enemy wizard, and than, in one moment, there is Elminster and his enemy, and zero secons later, 3 Fireballs explode onto the enemy wizard, who had used his 1d4+1 rounds to watch surprised Elminster beeing able to act.

Mustrum Ridcully

She's Goddess(!) of Magic. The Third. We had Mystryl and Mystra before. The Mystra we have was a human wizard called Midnight, but she adopted her predecessor's name for stability's sake.

The old Mystra (who created all the Chosen of Mystra, including El) actually saved Elminsters hide several times when he was still young and not so experienced yet. And the two were lovers (we all know El for having more lasses than a rich man has trousers, but that is something of an accomplishment even for him)

 

[Umbran]

Admit it. This type of response is merely a total rule-0

Not really. I'm not noting that Rule-0 (the DM may have non-standard rules) applies. I'm noting that the core books give no such rules. The statement "Even dieties must follow the rules" does not carry much meaning when there's no one set of "the rules".

Does the FRCS or Faiths and Pantheons say she can't do these things? Considering that the Faiths and Pantheons web enhancement has guidelines for deities that break the rules in that they are completely immune to mortal weapons and spells, I severely doubt they limit her from casting a Time Stop on Elminster any time she feels like.