ENWorld <-> Dragonsfoot

[Dragonhelm]

Who cares what rules set you're using? It's all good. The rules are simply a mechanic to run the adventure. Use the rules that work best for you, whether 1e, 2e, 3e, Hackmaster, C&C, AE, or what have you. Flip a coin if need be.

Obviously, these boards are geared more towards the d20 mindset, but they should be open to other experiences. Likewise, other boards geared towards prior editions or variants like C&C should also be open to other experiences.

I hate edition bashing. It's pointless. There's things I like in every edition, and things I don't like. I just try to find what works for me.

Case in point, let's take the Complete Psionics Handbook. I loved it and had a ball with it back in the day. I have few places to discuss it. WotC's psionics boards are filled with people who will take every opportunity to bash the 2e rules. Now, I know the 2e rules are not the best and I accept that. But at the same time, I had a lot of fun with them.

So what does it matter what edition you like, as long as you're having fun? That's what I want to discuss. Having fun with gaming.

 

[Psion]

Well, I don't know how much you know about the history of Dragonsfoot, but a while back, they had 3e and "Edition wars" forums. I used to hang out there (so did some other regulars here, such as Pkitty) and have some lively debates with some of the more reasonable regulars there.

Alas, that pool was poisoned, as I understand it, by one of our own members trolling, whose actions led to the 3e and edition boards being closed down.

It does bother me that certain members both there and here display similar behavior in the other direction by making our boards their edition wars forums by declaring "crusades" when a thread pops up here that offends their sensibilities.

 

[Dinkeldog]

I'll go further. I don't like edition bashing and I don't like getting into matches where the value of the games one plays is determined by how much one can pee on someone else's game.

When someone at Dragonsfoot tried to organize a C&C crusade over here, I put a post there asking to not start any messageboard wars, and I'll do the same here. Please don't take this thread as a call to war to go to Dragonsfoot and make some of the older edition gamers' lives more difficult (than they already are because they're still playing pre-3E games. )

 

[Quasqueton]

Well, it's been 4 months since I needed to make this response...


Dungeons & Dragons [current edition] is the one true game. All previous editions were just attempts to achieve this level of excellence.


Quasqueton

 

[Akrasia]

... Original poster: I think that the question is baiting....

The question is baiting.

Furthermore, it fails to recognize that there is a lot more to Enworld these days than 3e. Many of the discussions in the 'General Discussion' board concern maters not tied to any particular system, or even game. Plus there is the OGL games board that is explicitly meant to cover a wide range of other systems (Conan, IH, M&M, C&C, etc.)

... It does bother me that certain members both there and here display similar behavior in the other direction by making our boards their edition wars forums by declaring "crusades" when a thread pops up here that offends their sensibilities.

I'm not sure to whom you are referring here, but by way of observation, I've noticed that Quas frequently starts threads that induce edition wars here (or makes posts in other threads that are thinly-veiled edition bashes). Just look at the 'poll' he links to in the first post here (if that isn't throwing a match onto gasoline, I don't know what is).

I don't normally like to make sweeping claims like this about other posters, but it is a trend that I've definitely noticed over the past year. I can't understand his claims to dislike edition wars, given how many he's promoted.
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[jasper]

Quasqueton and Diaglo sharpen four siders at 20 paces. Fight continues until someone puts out an eye.

 

[Akrasia]

... When someone at Dragonsfoot tried to organize a C&C crusade over here ...

I must have missed that.
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In any case, there are plenty of posters over at Dragonsfoot who don't like C&C ("it's too much like 3e", heh ...).

Fortunately, the forums are clearly demarkated there (one for OD&D, one for 1e AD&D, etc.), so the folks who don't like C&C just don't post in the C&C forum.

 

[Henry]

I can completly understand where Quas is coming from, Ive seen so much invective against 3E from some people, and over and over again, that it gets nauseauting.

I see it as a bit of a "shell-shock" effect. Putting yourself in their shoes a moment, you get a lot of people on multiple boards saying things that are to you patently untrue, both about the earlier editions and the current ones, and after a while you get automatically defensive when someone even appears to be bashing or unduly praising, whether the person is actually do so or not.

What if you like both versions for different reasons, or you enjoy a particular community even if you don't play that version of the game? Then you overhear a lot of things that can bug you, and it's hard to resist commenting on them, even if it's not the best way to respond.

The Edition Wars forum on Dragonsfoot, while fun while it lasted, did have some inherent problems and lead to a lot of undue hostility, hence why even with Dragonsfoot's EW forums gone, we don't allow such here if we can help it. Preferred Games, as we know, are only one step below Politics and Religion for stirring up venemous responses, but since gaming is our focus, it's kind of a rock and a hard place for all RPG message boards.

 

[Henry]

I must have missed that.
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It happened, whether the poster meant it to turn out that way or not. But it happened, and no one is going into any more specifics here. (Not saying you're asking, but someone invariably will).

 

[Quasqueton]

I've noticed that Quas frequently starts threads that induce edition wars here (or makes posts in other threads that are thinly-veiled edition bashes). Just look at the 'poll' he links to in the first post here (if that isn't throwing a match onto gasoline, I don't know what is).

I don't normally like to make sweeping claims like this about other posters, but it is a trend that I've definitely noticed over the past year. I can't understand his claims to dislike edition wars, given how many he's promoted.

I'm amazed at the effort some people put into building up this image of me being an edition basher (any edition) -- and they follow me from thread to thread with the claim. I have stated my affection for the earlier editions many times. The closest my words come to bashing an earlier edition is when I point out that the facet of D&D3 that an "oldschooler" is complaining about also existed in previous editions.

There are like 4 people here who get up in arms whenever I post anything starting or responding to any reference or comparison to editions of the game.

Quasqueton