Epic Resurgence / Archetypes Edge

[Istar]

Both give you an Encounter power back.

EP only the first crit of the encounter, and AE every crirical.

Does this mean if I have both feats, I get 2 encounter powers back on the frist crit.

Or am I really gimping myself getting ER when AE is going to do the job pretty well with Daggermaster 18 to 20 crits ??

 

[FireLance]

Archetype's Edge is a feature of the Martial Archetype epic destiny, not a feat.

You're not going to be able to use it with the Daggermaster's Dagger Precision feature because the Martial Archetype epic destiny requires paragon multiclassing in a martial class.

That said, as written, they don't do exactly the same thing: Epic Resurgence allows you to regain any encounter attack power, while Archetype's Edge only allows you to regain a martial encounter attack power. I personally would allow you to regain two encounter attack powers (one of which must be martial) on your first critical hit in an encounter if you had both Archetype's Edge and Epic Resurgence, in much the same way that I would allow a character with Epic Resurgence and Font of Radiance to regain an encounter attack power and cause his enemy to glow brightly if the first time that he scores a critical hit in an encounter is with a power that has the radiant keyword.

 

[Istar]

Archetype's Edge is a feature of the Martial Archetype epic destiny, not a feat.

You're not going to be able to use it with the Daggermaster's Dagger Precision feature because the Martial Archetype epic destiny requires paragon multiclassing in a martial class.

That said, as written, they don't do exactly the same thing: Epic Resurgence allows you to regain any encounter attack power, while Archetype's Edge only allows you to regain a martial encounter attack power. I personally would allow you to regain two encounter attack powers (one of which must be martial) on your first critical hit in an encounter if you had both Archetype's Edge and Epic Resurgence, in much the same way that I would allow a character with Epic Resurgence and Font of Radiance to regain an encounter attack power and cause his enemy to glow brightly if the first time that he scores a critical hit in an encounter is with a power that has the radiant keyword.

Man 4e is a lot more complicated than 2nd Edition.

Why cant I be a Daggermaster and also do the Martial Archetype epic destiny thing ?

I have read it and thought I had understood it ?

If I go Paragon path in something, does that mean that I cant do the Epic Destiny stuff ?

 

[FireLance]

Man 4e is a lot more complicated than 2nd Edition.

Why cant I be a Daggermaster and also do the Martial Archetype epic destiny thing ?

I have read it and thought I had understood it ?

If I go Paragon path in something, does that mean that I cant do the Epic Destiny stuff ?

Well, it helps if you think about it this way: At 1st level (the start of the Heroic tier), you pick a class. At 11th level (the start of the Paragon Tier) you pick a paragon path. At 21st level (the start of the Epic tier) you pick an epic destiny.

Your choice of class will affect which paragon paths become available to you, and your choice of paragon path may similarly affect which epic destinies are available to you.

For example, Daggermaster has the prerequisite of Rogue class. This means that in order to select the Daggermaster paragon path at 11th level, you must have selected the rogue class at 1st level, or multiclassed into Rogue by taking a rogue multiclass feat such as Sneak of Shadows.

Martial Archetype has the prerequisites of any martial class and paragon multiclassing in a martial class. Paragon multiclassing means that you take another base class as your paragon path, and you gain powers from that class instead of powers from another paragon path. For example, if you are a Rogue, you must paragon multiclass into another martial class, e.g. Fighter, Ranger or Warlord, instead of taking the Daggermaster paragon path in order to take Martial Archetype at 21st level.

I recall from another thread that you are playing in a relatively low-level game at the moment. I think one factor that is increasing the confusion is that you are looking too far ahead. In my view, 4e is quite easy to understand if you take it one step at a time.

 

[fissionessence]

Man 4e is a lot more complicated than 2nd Edition.

Why cant I be a Daggermaster and also do the Martial Archetype epic destiny thing ?

I have read it and thought I had understood it ?

If I go Paragon path in something, does that mean that I cant do the Epic Destiny stuff ?

When you get to 11th level, you have two choices:
1) Enter a paragon path. Most characters will choose this. One such paragon path is Daggermaster.
2) Enter paragon multiclassing. This option requires that you took multiclassing feats into another class. Instead of entering a paragon path, you gain features and powers from the class you multiclassed into at the same pace as a paragon path.

When you get to 21st level, you choose an epic destiny. One such epic destiny is Martial Archeypte. The Martial Archetype epic destiny has a prerequisite that you must have paragon multiclassing into a martial class, meaning you took option (2) above. If you took option (2), then you didn't take option (1), which included the possibility for being in the Daggermaster paragon path.

Thus, you cannot be both a Daggermaster and a Martial Archeypte.

~ fissionessence

 

[dammitbiscuit]

I think one factor that is increasing the confusion is that you are looking too far ahead. In my view, 4e is quite easy to understand if you take it one step at a time.

I've saved myself tons of headache that way, when I play a PC. I already have enough DM thoughts in my head. Don't let your thoughts dwell for more than a couple minutes on a future character level unless:
A - it's your next level (or maybe two)
B - you've played a character thoroughly at that level before and can thus easily manipulate the numbers and powers and interactions in your head

 

[Istar]

Cheers guys, I missed the "Paragon Multiclass" pre-requisite.

But I also like Deadly Drickster due to the

I know one level at a time is best, but I just want to map our where I am going, so that I follow the right pre-requisites.

I want my feats picked to match the Class Powers, and their Paragon and Epic skills.

PLus its quite fun when I have free time at work.