OOC: I think people are just upset because you popped in (great entrance by the way) and took the naturally evolving cosmology and made so generic. Me, I don't have a problem with it because my character hates to be anywhere but the material plane (god of mortals, born of mortal desire and on the plane of mortals, etc, you get the idea).
Ever Dream Deity Roleplay(Always Open)
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ooc: the key thing about paradox is that whenever Othar changes something, you can change something too, as you would act differently, in a different situation. Hence my forging the multiverse.
Endovior frowns.
"You will note that U-DO wishes not to be a part of the council. With him being particularly antagonistic towards the other Gods, taking the recent incident with Albedo as an example, I suggest we form some sort of policy regarding those Gods who do not wish to be a part of the council. Perhaps we could agree to act, as a group, against any God not a part of the council who would interfere with out edicts. What say you?"
Endovior frowns.
"You will note that U-DO wishes not to be a part of the council. With him being particularly antagonistic towards the other Gods, taking the recent incident with Albedo as an example, I suggest we form some sort of policy regarding those Gods who do not wish to be a part of the council. Perhaps we could agree to act, as a group, against any God not a part of the council who would interfere with out edicts. What say you?"
periculum
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OOC: adding more sections is just the opposite of what I want to do, I want to get rid of all of your sections. They dont fit here, we had a perfectly good cosmology without them and they do not bring anything to the game except for making it bland and flavorless. I also don't like bringing in other generic planes such as Ysgard into the mix, they don't fit. Exceptions can be made of course, such as Jemal bringing in A negative energy plane and A hell into the mix (not necessarily exactly the same as standard D&D, but they've yet to be fully described), when it goes along with the flow of the universe and has a natural creation myth and good story line. (When they were first created though, I thought they were both the same plane.)
IC: "I do not need anyone's aid in dealing with my foes, and am against such a permanent aliance. Of course my original proposal would help solve the problem you forsee. I still propose that we copy the format presented by Endoviors documents, creating a binding writ unbreakable even by those who did not agree to it. This would be accomplished by getting a majority of the deities to suffuse it with their divine energies, making the document have more power than any minority of deities. Thus we would need 7 deities to be in agreement to make any amendments to it (I'm counting the gods who arent still active as well. besides, if it requires a near unanimous decision, there shouldnt be many problems)."
IC: "I do not need anyone's aid in dealing with my foes, and am against such a permanent aliance. Of course my original proposal would help solve the problem you forsee. I still propose that we copy the format presented by Endoviors documents, creating a binding writ unbreakable even by those who did not agree to it. This would be accomplished by getting a majority of the deities to suffuse it with their divine energies, making the document have more power than any minority of deities. Thus we would need 7 deities to be in agreement to make any amendments to it (I'm counting the gods who arent still active as well. besides, if it requires a near unanimous decision, there shouldnt be many problems)."
Jo'Karr claps his hands together and a short series of electric arcs dance around his hands. He opens them to reveal a scroll of solid gold foil.
"I think this should do for the document's physical form."
He then summons a long feather pen and signs the document.
"Here is my contribution."
Jo'Karr presents the scroll to Tocho, holding it out for him to take it.
"I think this should do for the document's physical form."
He then summons a long feather pen and signs the document.
"Here is my contribution."
Jo'Karr presents the scroll to Tocho, holding it out for him to take it.
magic_gathering2001
First Post
OOC: This is the last time im going to explain this and therefore my last post on this topic the planar sections are just a way to organize the existing/future cosmology. The only non metagame purpose they serve is to figure which planes are close to which other planes. Each section or overlap thereof can hold an infinite number of planes that do not cross and/or a single plane that crosses them all. Think of it like planes(the geometry kind, representing the planar sections) all intersecting at a line (the material plane) Each plane can have an infinite number of parallel lines(planes, the D&D kind) in it. Opposite planes(the geometry kind, representing the planar sections, ie fire and water elemental) are perpendicular planes(the geometry kind, representing the planar sections). Origionally no planes(the D&D kind) existed but Endovior created fire and I created Magic, Shadow, and astral, tocho created his own and Endovior created demiplanes on all.
Lastly everyone who wants me to "fix" the cosmology say "fix it" in the title of your next post. If half of you or more do I have an idea and will implement it (hopefully to your Pleasure)
Lastly everyone who wants me to "fix" the cosmology say "fix it" in the title of your next post. If half of you or more do I have an idea and will implement it (hopefully to your Pleasure)
FreeXenon
American Male (he/him); INTP ADHD Introverted Geek
Shara, The Light Bringer (Goddess of Light, Life, and Wisdom)
"Jemal, the one creature that is spawned from a break in the natural cycles of existence, as the patron of rebirth in all of its forms, whether as an extension to the natural cycles or not."
Shara smiles at the irony present in this request.
"I will agree if you accept the following decree:
Jemal and all of you unnatural children shall shun the light and life of the Worlds of life for they are an affront to all that is living and natural. The more powerful the creature the more harmful that the energies of light and life shall be. Those borne within the cycle that you have just presented (resurrection, raise dead, reincarnation [Life, Death, and Rebirth with choice]) will not be affected.
Jemal, you may take this domain [rebirth], but take it carefully, for I will be watching as will the rest of us. So can it be divinely given, and so can it be taken away. I will help to power the presented cycles of rebirth. What say you Traume and Moss?
As Tocho has mentioned we should also instate a separate Divine Document with clauses for Mortal Free Will and Godling Horizon (no Godlings on the Prime). "
Othar[sblock]The Portfolio of Time
The domain of time is, as others have stated, a dangerous one and can easily become out of control, so be careful before you make any 'time changes'. You may want to consult or inform the people that are concerned before slapping the timestream around!
That way you all may agree upon the effect on the events, as well as any temporal paradoxes that result. If played right this could add a lot to the history and world. 
Game Rules
Adding new planes and assuming associations is OK. It is a part of the creative process. Stating where another Godlings plane fits into your plan is not OK. You may tell what you do to another Godling but not how it effects them. Specifically saying where their plane falls into your plan and then assigning it traits should not be done.
Planar Cosmology
There seems to be some dissention regarding the planar cosmology that you have created. I will agree with some that it is rather generic, wich is not necessarily bad. It conforms to that which has been previous created, for the most part: Astral, Shadows, Elements, and Alignment planes. It lacks flavor and uniqueness. As it stands, a lot of these are planar types are already present.
Jemal's 'Hell' is Negative energy and the Damned (Neutral and Evil), and Endoviors Realm is Elemental Fire, Chaos, and Magic. Shara's is Positive Energy and Light (Neutral and Good). You could say that Algennis' is Pure Chaos, Traume - Shadows, Death and possibly Neutrality. A lot of what you are trying to do is already there, just not by the names that we are necessarily familiar with.
The aformentioned planes map [more neatly
] to commonly used cosmologies. Tocho's plane fits more with the 'Greek Cosmology' such as the Happy Hunting Grounds and so on, and is a bit harder to pigeon hole into this 'normal cosmology' as it represents a more abstract ideal. I think we will have the same problem with Moss', when he creates one. At some point I think that Traume may create the elemental planes of Water and Air, and possibly earth as he is the father of those elemental types. One of K'Netan's portfolios is earth so he really has primary purview over that domain, but he has not posted so Traume could feel free to create it.
It would be interesting as Traume's plane of Shadows and Death is linked directly to the planes of Elemental Earth, Water and Air which then links to the prime.
The cosmology as it developing is very unique. As it stands, we do not explicitly have a transitive plane such as the astral or etheral which is more appropriate for your portfolios of Time and Planes. Time flows much differently there and they are also transitive planes which is very much apart of your portfolio. If you did this and let the rest fall it would be a lot more balanced with what everyone else has done, and still allows you more power within your portfolio. There are no direct connections from the Godlings' planes to the Mortal Plane and this would solve that problem.
I do not want to nix what you are trying to do and I do appreciate what you attempting I am hoping that you can do what you need to do without creating so much tension. Having fun, participating, and creating is what this is about and everyone should have an equal chance.[/sblock]
OOC[sblock]I have included a JPG with a sample Cosmology that pseudo represents the planes making some assumptions using domains other ad-hoc predictions like Othar creating the Ethereal amd Astral and connecting all of the planes (Time and Planar Travel), Moss and Jp'Karr creating their plane's and Traume creating Earth, Air, and Water Elemental Planes[/sblock]
"Jemal, the one creature that is spawned from a break in the natural cycles of existence, as the patron of rebirth in all of its forms, whether as an extension to the natural cycles or not."
Shara smiles at the irony present in this request.
"I will agree if you accept the following decree:
Jemal and all of you unnatural children shall shun the light and life of the Worlds of life for they are an affront to all that is living and natural. The more powerful the creature the more harmful that the energies of light and life shall be. Those borne within the cycle that you have just presented (resurrection, raise dead, reincarnation [Life, Death, and Rebirth with choice]) will not be affected.
Jemal, you may take this domain [rebirth], but take it carefully, for I will be watching as will the rest of us. So can it be divinely given, and so can it be taken away. I will help to power the presented cycles of rebirth. What say you Traume and Moss?
As Tocho has mentioned we should also instate a separate Divine Document with clauses for Mortal Free Will and Godling Horizon (no Godlings on the Prime). "
Othar[sblock]The Portfolio of Time
The domain of time is, as others have stated, a dangerous one and can easily become out of control, so be careful before you make any 'time changes'. You may want to consult or inform the people that are concerned before slapping the timestream around!
That way you all may agree upon the effect on the events, as well as any temporal paradoxes that result. If played right this could add a lot to the history and world. Game Rules
Adding new planes and assuming associations is OK. It is a part of the creative process. Stating where another Godlings plane fits into your plan is not OK. You may tell what you do to another Godling but not how it effects them. Specifically saying where their plane falls into your plan and then assigning it traits should not be done.
Planar Cosmology
There seems to be some dissention regarding the planar cosmology that you have created. I will agree with some that it is rather generic, wich is not necessarily bad. It conforms to that which has been previous created, for the most part: Astral, Shadows, Elements, and Alignment planes. It lacks flavor and uniqueness. As it stands, a lot of these are planar types are already present.
Jemal's 'Hell' is Negative energy and the Damned (Neutral and Evil), and Endoviors Realm is Elemental Fire, Chaos, and Magic. Shara's is Positive Energy and Light (Neutral and Good). You could say that Algennis' is Pure Chaos, Traume - Shadows, Death and possibly Neutrality. A lot of what you are trying to do is already there, just not by the names that we are necessarily familiar with.
The aformentioned planes map [more neatly
] to commonly used cosmologies. Tocho's plane fits more with the 'Greek Cosmology' such as the Happy Hunting Grounds and so on, and is a bit harder to pigeon hole into this 'normal cosmology' as it represents a more abstract ideal. I think we will have the same problem with Moss', when he creates one. At some point I think that Traume may create the elemental planes of Water and Air, and possibly earth as he is the father of those elemental types. One of K'Netan's portfolios is earth so he really has primary purview over that domain, but he has not posted so Traume could feel free to create it. It would be interesting as Traume's plane of Shadows and Death is linked directly to the planes of Elemental Earth, Water and Air which then links to the prime.
The cosmology as it developing is very unique. As it stands, we do not explicitly have a transitive plane such as the astral or etheral which is more appropriate for your portfolios of Time and Planes. Time flows much differently there and they are also transitive planes which is very much apart of your portfolio. If you did this and let the rest fall it would be a lot more balanced with what everyone else has done, and still allows you more power within your portfolio. There are no direct connections from the Godlings' planes to the Mortal Plane and this would solve that problem.
I do not want to nix what you are trying to do and I do appreciate what you attempting I am hoping that you can do what you need to do without creating so much tension. Having fun, participating, and creating is what this is about and everyone should have an equal chance.[/sblock]
OOC[sblock]I have included a JPG with a sample Cosmology that pseudo represents the planes making some assumptions using domains other ad-hoc predictions like Othar creating the Ethereal amd Astral and connecting all of the planes (Time and Planar Travel), Moss and Jp'Karr creating their plane's and Traume creating Earth, Air, and Water Elemental Planes[/sblock]
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FreeXenon
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[sblock]Planar Cosmology
The Cosmology I submitted is just one of many different possible configurations with as little change to what we already have. We can come up with any sort of rationalization for a given map. What is important is that we agree on one and run with it.
Albedo and Alyssa
I do like the [Non-Godling Divine Entities] Albedo and Alyssa thing that is happening. I do not think that what has happened is bad. I say this assuming that the Godling (If I remember correctly it was Albedo?) did not create them on purpose and that they are an anomoly to the creation process like the creature Failure. I might have a problem with it if they were created as divine agents due to their very unique powers. It is an interesting story line.
Divine Rules
I have submitted aome Divine Rules a while back and have not heard anything from you. I would like some feedback!! Please! If all you did was just site there and laugh yoyr ass off. please let me know. If you think it is too complex, let me know. Questions, comments, suggestions???
I am thinking that when we get the Planar Cosmology thing decided I will create a IC and OOC thread for 'Ever Dream, The Worlds of Life' so the threads clean up a little. [/sblock]
[sblock]Planar Cosmology
The Cosmology I submitted is just one of many different possible configurations with as little change to what we already have. We can come up with any sort of rationalization for a given map. What is important is that we agree on one and run with it.
Albedo and Alyssa
I do like the [Non-Godling Divine Entities] Albedo and Alyssa thing that is happening. I do not think that what has happened is bad. I say this assuming that the Godling (If I remember correctly it was Albedo?) did not create them on purpose and that they are an anomoly to the creation process like the creature Failure. I might have a problem with it if they were created as divine agents due to their very unique powers. It is an interesting story line.
Divine Rules
I have submitted aome Divine Rules a while back and have not heard anything from you. I would like some feedback!! Please! If all you did was just site there and laugh yoyr ass off. please let me know. If you think it is too complex, let me know. Questions, comments, suggestions???
I am thinking that when we get the Planar Cosmology thing decided I will create a IC and OOC thread for 'Ever Dream, The Worlds of Life' so the threads clean up a little. [/sblock]
"As much as it pains me to admitt this, dear Shara, I cannot comply with your request that I leave the material plane forever. You may or may not have noticed, but I am extremely uncomfortable on any plane other than Prime. My power is weakened and dimminished when away from the worlds of mortals. Due to my unique creation and connection, and my purpose which soley relates to the mortal realms, I am as much a part of that plane as any other being born there. Further, it seems that the mortals and the souls of the mortals who created me DEMAND that I remain there, that I not become aloof or disconcted from my purpose. I am suffocating here, even as we speak, and I will soon no longer be able to tolerate this place. In fact, I will now leave an avitar in my stead, and return to my forge."
Jo'Karr phases out of the plane of DEATH and leaves in his wake a transparent image, clearly interactive but also clearly not Jo'Karr himself.
OOC: Shara, I haven't actually created a plane for myself. I reside on the Prime, in a large asteroid left over from the destruction of Prime I. I will describe the forge itself in detail later, whenever any prolonged action takes place there. Suffice to say it has a ziggurat/citadel of somewhat less grandeur than my first, and that it has a city within for my angels, but that it is not sepparate from the rest of the plane.
Jo'Karr phases out of the plane of DEATH and leaves in his wake a transparent image, clearly interactive but also clearly not Jo'Karr himself.
OOC: Shara, I haven't actually created a plane for myself. I reside on the Prime, in a large asteroid left over from the destruction of Prime I. I will describe the forge itself in detail later, whenever any prolonged action takes place there. Suffice to say it has a ziggurat/citadel of somewhat less grandeur than my first, and that it has a city within for my angels, but that it is not sepparate from the rest of the plane.
ooc: Albedo may be seperate from U-DO, but everyone blames U-DO for everything Albedo does, given how their stated purposes are essentially identical.
Endovior frowns.
"Even with a majority agreement, it is impossible to bind a God to an agreement without his consent. You can, given overwhelming force, slay all his followers, bind his powers, and defeat him physically... but bind him? Impossible. The best that can be done is tell him 'Do not do this or else we shall' and then state whatever punishment you are about to inflict."
Endovior turns to Shara.
"The Forges I created as a result of Othar's shift in reality currently have been handling the souls of life as follows: the forges collectively produce the initial traits of all new-born beings, which then develop over time. When they die, their souls are sent outwards, to a realm in accordance with the principles in which they lived. Rebirth seems dangerous, a feedback into the system which could endanger the flow of the cosmos. Be wary of this power, for it's use will weaken those planes not ruled by gods."
Endovior frowns.
"Even with a majority agreement, it is impossible to bind a God to an agreement without his consent. You can, given overwhelming force, slay all his followers, bind his powers, and defeat him physically... but bind him? Impossible. The best that can be done is tell him 'Do not do this or else we shall' and then state whatever punishment you are about to inflict."
Endovior turns to Shara.
"The Forges I created as a result of Othar's shift in reality currently have been handling the souls of life as follows: the forges collectively produce the initial traits of all new-born beings, which then develop over time. When they die, their souls are sent outwards, to a realm in accordance with the principles in which they lived. Rebirth seems dangerous, a feedback into the system which could endanger the flow of the cosmos. Be wary of this power, for it's use will weaken those planes not ruled by gods."
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