exact casting time of wand of enlarge person

pawsplay said:
I believe using a wand is an action that requires concentration, because it is like casting a spell in most respects, and casting a spell does.

"Wands use the spell trigger activation method,..."

If you read spell completion, then spell trigger, the intent seems clear.

"Spell trigger activation is similar to spell completion, but it’s even simpler. No gestures or spell finishing is needed,..."

No concentration, no AoO. It's very similar to pulling a trigger...
 

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Kmart Kommando said:
Only way to keep someone from casting a spell from a wand is to take it away from them or cause them some condition that would keep them from completing the action, such as stun, daze, sleep, dead, etc. Actually, does it say you can't use wands when you're dead? :p
I don't see why you couldn't counterspell a wand spell. The completion may be instant, but especially for spells with a longer casting time, the magical energies are clearly still gathering/being assembled, so you should be able to interfere with them using a counterspell the same way you would with a cast spell.
 

cheshire_grin said:
I don't see why you couldn't counterspell a wand spell. The completion may be instant, but especially for spells with a longer casting time, the magical energies are clearly still gathering/being assembled, so you should be able to interfere with them using a counterspell the same way you would with a cast spell.

Considering how horrifically worthless counterspelling is, it's not going to be a problem anyhow...
 

cheshire_grin said:
I don't see why you couldn't counterspell a wand spell. The completion may be instant, but especially for spells with a longer casting time, the magical energies are clearly still gathering/being assembled, so you should be able to interfere with them using a counterspell the same way you would with a cast spell.

But seeing as how all the caster does to cast the spell is point a rod at someone and say a command word (such as "bam!"), how are you going to identify the non-present verbal and somatic components to identify the spell?
 

cheshire_grin said:
I don't see why you couldn't counterspell a wand spell.

Because you can only counterspell the casting of a spell. This would work for scrolls, or other spell completion items which state: "...spell completion items are treated like spells in combat..."

I don't think you should be able to counterspell wands, rings, or other non-spell completion items.

But you are welcome to try...be sure to use the RAW for counterspells. :p
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/castingSpells.htm
 


UltimaGabe said:
But seeing as how all the caster does to cast the spell is point a rod at someone and say a command word (such as "bam!"), how are you going to identify the non-present verbal and somatic components to identify the spell?
Clearly you would either have to know what kind of wand it is (for example, if the fellow used it to fireball you last round, and he's pointing it at you again, you can make an educated guess) or use Dispel Magic.
 

Nail said:
Exactly.


You don't counterspell Boots of Striding and Springing, do you?
Boots of Striding and Springing are neither spell completion nor spell trigger items.

There's no opportunity to counterspell such Boots, because there is no moment when the magic is being assembled/summoned to produce the effect. There is such a moment for wands and scrolls (and yes, for at least some kinds of rings).

It may not be in the RAW one way or the other, but I can see a reasonable houserule argument.
 

cheshire_grin said:
Clearly you would either have to know what kind of wand it is (for example, if the fellow used it to fireball you last round, and he's pointing it at you again, you can make an educated guess) or use Dispel Magic.

You need to read up on counterspelling.

Readying to Counterspell: You may ready a counterspell against a spellcaster (often with the trigger “if she starts casting a spell”). In this case, when the spellcaster starts a spell, you get a chance to identify it with a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell level). If you do, and if you can cast that same spell (are able to cast it and have it prepared, if you prepare spells), you can cast the spell as a counterspell and automatically ruin the other spellcaster’s spell. Counterspelling works even if one spell is divine and the other arcane.

A spellcaster can use dispel magic to counterspell another spellcaster, but it doesn’t always work.


Under Spellcraft:
15 + spell level Identify a spell being cast. (You must see or hear the spell’s verbal or somatic components.) No action required. No retry.

So per the RAW in order to coutnerspell you must first identify the spell being cast via Spellcraft check.

In order to make a spellcraft check to identy a spell being cast you must see or hear the spell's verbal or somatic components.

A wand has neither even though it requires uttering a single word for activation - that is not considered a somatic component (or else ASF would be kicking in).
 

Sektat said:
(1) At the end of my turn (like a sorcerer who casts a spell with duration "1 standard round" but using a metamagic feat which increases the duration to 1 round)
This is not the correct answer to your question, but neither is it even correct. I think you intended to say "like a sorcerer who casts a spell with a casting time of "1 standard action" but using a metamagic feat which increases the casting time to 1 full-round action."
 

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