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[Jemal]

Brother Shatterstone - haven't received any of the Emails...

Thanee - I'm gonna have to say no.. It's a bit too powerful for my liking.

DM_Matt - For what purpose? The Hat of disguise will do it for about as cheap as you can get, and it can change appearance, too. is there a real reason you want something specifically made to do just clothing?

 

[GnomeWorks]

As strange as this request may sound... is there any way that I could modify the bard so that it was art-based, rather than music-based? So having Bardic Art rather than Bardic Music... the various effects would probably all be the same, though some would change (countersong, for instance), and the medium would be different.

 

[Manzanita]

Did you get my email Jemal? I had some questions in there, too. I wanted to work out my background (& one magical item) based on the nature of the adventure before finalizing my PC.

 

[Jemal]

Might want to get a sturdy canvas, wouldn't want to rip it during battle..



I don't know, maybe you could outline it a bit more? ie throw a few details at me.

 

[DM_Matt]

Brother Shatterstone - haven't received any of the Emails...

Thanee - I'm gonna have to say no.. It's a bit too powerful for my liking.

DM_Matt - For what purpose? The Hat of disguise will do it for about as cheap as you can get, and it can change appearance, too. is there a real reason you want something specifically made to do just clothing?

The real reason is that its better to actually be wearing clothing that is in fact different clothing, rather than an illusory image over it....hmmm, also, I guess that illusorrry clothing with a hat of disguise poses other problems when faced with dispel magic or true seeing

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Brother Shatterstone - haven't received any of the Emails...

Man your email system is worse than Ray's!! You so need a new email account... (it was the hotmail address btw.)

I'll just post here.

Is my background from before fine, as long as I’m not “maimed”?

Asking for one non-wotc enchantment bonus

Weightless: Weapons with this quality are not really weightless; they just feel weightless to those wielding them. Characters wielding weightless weapons can swing them with more power and finesse than normal. The wielder fights with the weapon as if his strength score is effectively 2 points higher than it really is, giving a +1 bonus to hit and to damage. Additionally, a character can wield a weightless weapon up to one size category larger than themselves one handed, and can apply the Weapon Finesse feat to such weapons. Caster level: 7th; Prerequisites: Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Levitate; Market Price: +2 Bonus

Pretty please?


Oh and the equipment I was intrested in:

Mercurial Longsword

Thanks!

 

[Jemal]

Mercurial longsword good.
Weightless... I'm assuming you want to be wielding a pair of Large sized weapons, am I correct?

Clothing that actually becomes other clothing -
Only thing I could think of that could do that would be some form of polymorphing item... the cost would be extravagant, which is why most forms of items that change into other things do so via illusion... Just doing some quick math....

Here's the only way I could figure to do it where the clothign actually changes:

Cloth of Change -
At will as a standard action, the wearer of the Cloth of Change can cause it to transform into any type of clothing. The change lasts until dispelled or until changed again.
Caster Level: 15th; Prerequisites: Craft woundrous Item, Polymorph Any Object; Market Price: 216,000 GP; Weight: 2 Lb

LIke I said, very expensive.. not worth it.

 

[DM_Matt]

Mercurial longsword good.
Weightless... I'm assuming you want to be wielding a pair of Large sized weapons, am I correct?

Clothing that actually becomes other clothing -
Only thing I could think of that could do that would be some form of polymorphing item... the cost would be extravagant, which is why most forms of items that change into other things do so via illusion... Just doing some quick math....

Here's the only way I could figure to do it where the clothign actually changes:

Cloth of Change -
At will as a standard action, the wearer of the Cloth of Change can cause it to transform into any type of clothing. The change lasts until dispelled or until changed again.
Caster Level: 15th; Prerequisites: Craft woundrous Item, Polymorph Any Object; Market Price: 216,000 GP; Weight: 2 Lb

LIke I said, very expensive.. not worth it.

Ok, well, hmmm...This will probably be my last attemtpt to argue, but note that the prices are GUIDELINES. As a hypothetical spell that alters ONLY clothing to OTHER clothing is weaker than alter self, which alters any creature into a creature of the same type, perhaps granting natural armor or flight, granting a +10 to disguise checks, and actually making you look like someone else.. Polymorph any Object is an enormously powerful and versatile spell that can be used for a tremendous variety of things, including being a high-level instakill spell.

If you were dong strict core only, I could understand why you would demand that any item be based on existing spells with existing rules. However, since you are allwoing things from other books as long as they are reasonable, I would think it only fair to consider unpublished reasonable items as well. Particularly if you are going to let someone dual-weild weightless large murcurial greatswords.

Then again, if we are going strictly by the book, I might instead getting items of level one continuous spells like expeditionus retreat, enlarge person, or jump for 2k each. Would that be ok?

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Mercurial longsword good.
Weightless... I'm assuming you want to be wielding a pair of Large sized weapons, am I correct?

I wanting to wield two weapons, but I was thinking about two long swords, only one with weightless, I'm pretty sure that two weapons at that cost would be two expensive.

Basically two long swords at -2, -2

Though if the cost isn't a killer, 36K just for the enchantment bonus, I might be tempted to do a Flachion and Longsword at -2, -2.

 

[Thanee]

Caster Level: 15th; Prerequisites: Craft woundrous Item, Polymorph Any Object; Market Price: 216,000 GP; Weight: 2 Lb

Like I said, very expensive.. not worth it.

As Matt said, the tables are just guidelines. The cost of an item is always directly related to its power in the game.

There are plenty examples in the DMG, that use spells as prerequisites but the caster level doesn't match the minimum caster level for the spell, and where the cost does not add up like in the table (it actually does not for most wondrous items ). The spells used as prerequisites are just to get some relation to the desired effect, they have no actual influence in the cost of an item.

Here are some examples from the DMG:

Elixir of Vision, Eyes of the Eagle, Horseshoes of Speed, Nolzur's Marvelous Pigments, Druid's Vestment.

If you just use the tables, results often are completely ridiculous, like the one quoted above!

Bye
Thanee