Extra Spell Feat from Complete Arcane

[Hypersmurf]

1) allow you to learn a spell you normally couldn't, AND allow you to also cast that spell that you normally couldn't. I mean, it seems (to me at any rate) that it follows logically that if indeed they meant for the spell to be able to be learned that was not in your class list (note I'm not saying that they do, I'm saying that if it were done) then it would follow that the spell would also be something that you could cast.

But given that "A wizard casts arcane spells which are drawn from the sorcerer/ wizard spell list", then surely even if it allows the wizard to learn a spell, the fact that it is not added to his class list means that it's not a spell he can cast?

-Hyp.

 

[The Madhatter]

I don't suppose anyone's seen anything official on this? It seems a lot of folks do agree it's vague and could use a little clarifiying.

 

[Thanee]

It's not vague in the slightest... it's completely clear.

Just read the wizard/magic rules in the PHB.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

I don't suppose anyone's seen anything official on this?

If the PHB isn't official, than I don't know what is.

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Thanee

 

[Lord Pendragon]

I don't suppose anyone's seen anything official on this? It seems a lot of folks do agree it's vague and could use a little clarifiying.

I'm sorry man, I don't see it as vague at all. ARandomGod is doing a fine (and courteous, I might add) job of trying to rules-lawyer the effect you seem to want the feat to have, but AFAIAC there's nothing ambiguous about what this feat is supposed to do at all.

If I were you, rather than trying to rules-laywer this feat into doing what you want, I'd simply talk it over with my DM, explain that I'd really like access to the Planar Ally spell, make a case for why it wouldn't be unbalanced, and offer to pay a feat for the priviledge. Nine times out of ten, that'll do the trick.

I had a similar desire in a previous campaign. I had a fighter/mage who was very devout and had a religious background, and wanted him to gain access to the cleric spell Commune. I talked it over with the DM, and we worked it out. I suggest you do the same.

 

[Thanee]

Or just use the existing Arcane Disciple feat, which actually does that (I think someone even posted the domain somewhere above).

Bye
Thanee

 

[The Madhatter]

I'm sorry man, I don't see it as vague at all. ARandomGod is doing a fine (and courteous, I might add) job of trying to rules-lawyer the effect you seem to want the feat to have, but AFAIAC there's nothing ambiguous about what this feat is supposed to do at all.

If I were you, rather than trying to rules-laywer this feat into doing what you want, I'd simply talk it over with my DM, explain that I'd really like access to the Planar Ally spell, make a case for why it wouldn't be unbalanced, and offer to pay a feat for the priviledge. Nine times out of ten, that'll do the trick.

I had a similar desire in a previous campaign. I had a fighter/mage who was very devout and had a religious background, and wanted him to gain access to the cleric spell Commune. I talked it over with the DM, and we worked it out. I suggest you do the same.

I hear you. Believe me I'm not up in my DM's face about this. I have nothing but intellectual curiousity vested in this discusssion. I said a few posts back that he allowed it anyway. Of course I would take Arcane Disciple before this feat. One regular spell versus (potentially) nine spells. I play in the FR so there is nearly always a god with the right domain and alignment combination.

 

[Thanee]

Of course I would take Arcane Disciple before this feat. One regular spell versus (potentially) nine spells.

Only as a wizard, tho. A sorcerer doesn't gain much benefit from Arcane Disciple.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Scion]

Personally, without some major abuse, I would have no problem with someone useing this feat to gain access to any spell from any list that meets the criteria and cast it as they would normally cast any other spell that they knew.

I'd let it work just like the psionic version and I doubt it would cause anything much for problems, if it did then I'd look it over, but likely not change the ability to gain any spell.

Can anyone come up with a few horrible abuses?

 

[xazil]

Personally, without some major abuse, I would have no problem with someone useing this feat to gain access to any spell from any list that meets the criteria and cast it as they would normally cast any other spell that they knew.

I'd let it work just like the psionic version and I doubt it would cause anything much for problems, if it did then I'd look it over, but likely not change the ability to gain any spell.

Can anyone come up with a few horrible abuses?

Actually the most abusive way I can see offhand is a cleric using this to to grab some of the wizard standbys, although with all the new domains maybe not as they seem to keep giving clerics more and more wizard spells.