Falcon and winter solider

[Imaculata]

TL;DR: Captain Marvel is a title that has been carried by many different characters: Mar-Vell, Monica Rambeau, Genis-Vell, Phyla-Vell (now Quasar), the super-skrull Khn'nr, Noh-Varr (now going by Marvel Boy), and finally (hopefully) Carol Danvers.

So this leaves the writers with the option of killing off Carol Denvers and having someone likable step in to take over the role of Captain Marvel. Someone like Monica Rambeau for example.

 

[Umbran]

yeah, except as a soldier he has proven himself (he’s been decorated 3 times), so sure he isnt a friend, but he has been employed for The Job and he does have a right to consider himself a professional peer.

Getting along with other human beings isn't about "rights". It is about empathy.

I can see how he is the guy who knows that the one he’s replacing wore some big shoes, but he’s keen to do the Job well and wants his new colleagues to know that he is happy to be part of the Team and hopes they will accept him.

If he really wanted that, he would have consutled with them, rather than tracking them without their knowledge and just showing up out of a helicopter unasked. That's not how to show you want to be part of a team.

Sam and Bucky made it clear they dont accept John Walker as a peer - even as a fellow soldier

Well, Sam and Bucky are no longer soldiers.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Well, Sam and Bucky are no longer soldiers.

Sam has been working with the military, so he probably has some kind of military status.

Anyway, the people I know who have been in the armed forces never stop being soldiers.

 

[Umbran]

I would love for them to keep John Walker as a "good guy", but also as a rival.

In the comics, John Walker isn't exactly a villain. But, he's a bit of a nationalist zealot, has some unfortunate sociopolitical views, feels entitled to command, and has a lack of emotional control that leads him to be rather brutal. I don't think we've seen this in the TV show yet, but I expect the, "You can't punch your way out of everything," line in the locker room is a hint at it.

 

[Umbran]

Sam has been working with the military, so he probably has some kind of military status.

He's a contractor.

Anyway, the people I know who have been in the armed forces never stop being soldiers.

Bucky was an outright unwilling government tool for decades, and he and Sam spent a couple of years on the run from the military. While Sam seems to have made enough peace with that to take military contracts, I don't see as either of them are interested in taking orders any more.

 

[moriantumr]

I knew things were going to be off when Walker said he always wanted people to feel safe. The actions taken to feel or make others feel safe can often harm others.

 

[billd91]

I knew things were going to be off when Walker said he always wanted people to feel safe. The actions taken to feel or make others feel safe can often harm others.

Oh, sure. It was the Committee of Public Safety that was behind the Reign of Terror during the French Revolution. It was also the motivator for the the "committees of safety" that took over local government from the royalists during the American Revolution.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but what Bucky does in that second episode is pretty great without shining a huge light on what he's doing.

When he takes Sam to see Isaiah Bradley it shows he's been listening to Sam. He's upset with him about not taking the mantle but he's trying to convince him that the mantle is indeed his to bear. To that end, he doesn't want to be back in Isaiah's life because of bad blood but it if introducing Sam to Isaiah is the only way to show Sam that Captain America is sort of a legacy thing and that a black man HAD the Super Soldier serum AND was patriot maybe that would remove a bit of the trepidation that Sam was experiencing.

The thing I like about that scene is that Sam is shocked and horrified at the hint of what Isiah has been through. Meanwhile, I'm sure Bucky is fully aware of what happened to Isiah (as he knew EXACTLY where to find him) but because Bucky wasn't exactly himself during that time, what could he do? And then Isiah as an older man, the shock of seeing an old enemy show up at your house, an enemy who was responsible for the deaths of many civilians as well as fellow soldiers, while Isiah was doing nothing but serving his country wound up in lock up for 30 years? UGH.

That entire part in Isiah's house hit me in my heart. I felt bad for Sam as it almost reinforces his decision NOT to take up the mantle because why fight for or represent a country that has NEVER fought for or represented you. I felt bad for Bucky because it seems that every time he tries to do the right thing his past gets in the way and he REALLY wants to do the right thing because Steve believed in him. And Isiah just got traumatized by his old enemy showing up on his door step as a reminder of everything that he's been through.

It was a GOOD episode.

 

[Imaculata]

That entire part in Isiah's house hit me in my heart.

It was really well acted. A powerful scene.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

It was really well acted. A powerful scene.

And then they come outside and the cops try to . . . do whatever messed up thing they were going to do to him. If Sam wasn't reaffirmed by seeing Isaiah that his country doesn't fight for him, he surely would have right after leaving. I really like this show. This episode was masterfully done.