Favorite and Least Favorite 4th Edition Elements

[Doug McCrae]

Pro: The game will work from level 1 to level 30.

Con: Going from the massive number of options with 3e + splats back down to core.

 

[Doug McCrae]

It's not too "anime" it's too "FNG METAL"

True. Though you can't get much more f'ing metal than a *4 crit with a scythe.

 

[Driddle]

Least Favorite: The thing I really, really do not like about 4th Edition is the overwhelming emphasis on demons. We have demon-flavored races, demon-flavored classes, demon-powered spells and abilities...and we haven't even got to the Monster Manual yet. What if my game world doesn't have demons in it?

Actually, it's been reported (somewhere, I think) that the demon thing was a typo. It was supposed to be LEMON-flavored. 4th edition is 100 percent more citrusy than the previous editions.

 

[Charwoman Gene]

4th edition is 100 percent more citrusy than the previous editions.

Crap. My pastor spent last week warning us of the evils of grapefruit.

 

[fuindordm]

Sorry, I can't bring myself to choose.

FAVORITES:

• Talent trees make the class system more fun and improve multiclassing too.
• Resource management for everyone makes for more interesting play.
• They fey finally have a plane of their own and a strong role in the implied setting.

DISAPPOINTMENTS:

• Demons really aren't that cool, and neither are elves.
• No druids in PH1.
• Gleemax. Did anyone think about usability testing that monster?

 

[GVDammerung]

Based on present state of knowledge -

Like most - Alleged shorter prep time

Like least -Needless "change for change sake" in fluff

 

[Odysseus]

Pro Has got to be resource management, in which I include the christmas tree effect, and the 15 minute day.

Cons . A little difficult to say at this stage. There might be retraining rules, which I absolutely ***** Hate. But as yet the magic system is a big unknown , so that could be another possibility. The points of light stuff and the changes to FR, are also changes I don't like. And then the thing thats starting to annoy me is the constant use of "It ROCKS" to describe how good everything is.

 

[Kwalish Kid]

1. what is the one thing that you like most about 4E?

Second Wind

2. what is the one thing that you like least about 4E?

The reduction of per day wizard spells. How will I reconstruct classic Dragonlance? Seriously?

 

[Gundark]

Like the most: Faster play (and hopefully faster prep time).

Like the least: I didn't like the "fantasy super hero" element of high level 3e, looks like 4e isn't going to change this.

 

[WarlockLord]

Favorite (2-way):
The agonizing death of the Christmas Tree effect
Per-encounter and at-will abilities

Least-Favorite:
The removal of cool, fun save-or-sucks, web, et. al. to focus more on videogame-style HP blasting. My fears of the magic system, but without the expensive runes. Basically, sacrificing fun on the altar of "fun".


P.S. John Snow, total agreement about clerics. I hate 'em too.