Final verdict on keen rapier w/ improved critical?
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praetorian
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Actually the keen rapier never gets critical threat, non does it do any damage. Open your DMGs to page 185, table 8-15. Now, look at Keen, notice the marking next to it indicating there is a note about keen. Now, look at the bottom of the table and you will see by that mark these words,k and I quote: "slashing weapons only. Reroll if randomly generated for a non-slashing weapon. Now, take out you PHBs, and turn them to page 98, table 7-4. Under medium size marital weapons-melee look at the entry for rapier. Notice the type is PIERCING. Therefore you cannot have a keen rapier. Sorry min/maxers, go bark up another tree for your uber weapon.
Drew
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praetorian said:
Now open your web browser. Go to http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/DMGErrata.pdf
and search until you see the following text:
"p.187, (keen weapon description)
CHANGE the second sentence to: Only piercing or slashing weapons can be enchanted to be keen."
Therefore, keen your rapier all you'd like. And praetorian, this is an extreme example. Calm down.
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Jack Haggerty
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You could always use a scimitar instead... Identical stats, only the scimitar is a slasher.
Or use a Falchion and get the extra damage of a two-handed weapon.
And don't forget the kukris for the small characters, and those who like concealable weapons.
Or use a Falchion and get the extra damage of a two-handed weapon.
And don't forget the kukris for the small characters, and those who like concealable weapons.
graydoom
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Calm down and read the errata. (See what Drew posted, he beat me to it).praetorian said:
I was going to fill the rest of this post with a parody of the "Sorry min/maxers, go bark up another tree for your uber weapon" comment, but I think it's better just to say this: Always read the errata first, and don't get so worked up.
Funniest thing is, this exact same thing can be duplicated with the scimitar, since the only difference (stat-wise) between it and the rapier is Slashing vs Piercing and non-finessable vs finessable.
Improved Critical, Keen, and Keenblade (Dragonstar) increase the threat range of a weapon by the original threat range. A rapier's threat range is 18, 19, 20; three numbers. A longsword's threat range is 19, 20; two numbers. Improved critical would increase a rapier's threat by 3, or a longsword's by two.
Ki Improved Critical grants the improved critical feat or improves the weapon's threat by 2.
Ki Improved Critical grants the improved critical feat or improves the weapon's threat by 2.
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