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Firefly Reconsidered: Why Firefly Isn't "Hall of Fame" Great

Edit: You know what, Snarf, go ahead and have the last word. Just don't expect me to take the blame because you can't walk away from an argument.
 

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dragoner

Dying in Chargen
Well, the great truth is almost any story based on the losing side in a revolution or civil war that valorizes the losers is likely based at least in part on cherry picking what they decide to keep. The Confederacy is particularly fraught because of how bluntly awful it was, but its true to one degree or another with virtually all of them (the Jacobin insurrection comes to mind, as anything using it or something based on it is probably going to be--selective--to say the least). At best, most revolts are based on a mixture of legitimate grievances and really obnoxious prejudices, and you rarely see anyone want to deal with the latter part of that.
Sure, and as an American, you do you. Though I should mention that using terms like Lost Cause and apologia to a European and their mind will likely come to rest on the Germans and WW2, which is a bad place to be. I mean context is king.
 


dragoner

Dying in Chargen
You are probably right, but the one thing I've learned is the quickest way to a fight is to assert the supremacy of BBQ.

(The best BBQ I ever had was years ago at a rib place in Memphis, but the overall best is Texas. Although ... I know sauce is heresy, but Carolina sauce is good ...)
Truth though, the vinegar BBQ sauce is also a favorite of mine.
 


Sure, and as an American, you do you. Though I should mention that using terms like Lost Cause and apologia to a European and their mind will likely come to rest on the Germans and WW2, which is a bad place to be. I mean context is king.

Sure. And its not an unfair comparison, honestly. Attempts to justify the Southern Confederacy deserve every bit as much contempt as trying to justify Nazi Germany, and the one thing I'll agree with Snarf about here is that there's a history of trying to do that in the U.S. that rightly has some people have their tolerance mighty low.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Truth though, the vinegar BBQ sauce is also a favorite of mine.

There is something almost magical about it!

Since we're on a much better subject- you know what else is good? Burnt ends. I know it's all trendy and stuff now, but they are to die for!

And going back to your first post- it's a truism that the fanciness of the BBQ place and the quality of the BBQ are inversely related, right? ;)
 



payn

Legend
There is something almost magical about it!

Since we're on a much better subject- you know what else is good? Burnt ends. I know it's all trendy and stuff now, but they are to die for!

And going back to your first post- it's a truism that the fanciness of the BBQ place and the quality of the BBQ are inversely related, right? ;)
Chicken Thighs are the poor mans ribs! Dont forget about em.

Also, Vinegar is bomb, molasses is nasty.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
A good BBQ doesn't need sauce but a good sauce can compliment a good BBQ. I prefer the sweeter sauces for the most part.

Might as well just get yourself some McD's sweet & sour sauce! ;)

Snarf's Inarguable BBQ Sauce Rankings:

1. Carolina Vinegar Sauces (pork only)
2. Carolina Mustard Sauces (goes great on everything- pork, beef, more pork, ice cream)
3. KC Sauces (good on burnt ends, and even more burnt ends, and... the rest of the burnt ends)
4. Bama White Sauce (CHICKEN!)
4a. Cornell BBQ Sauce (Also Chicken)
5. Memphis/St. Louis Sauces (I would like all racks of ribs, please)
6. Florida Sauces (a little citrus-y, plus just a bit of meth)
7. Texas Sauces (We don't care about BBQ sauce- we're Texas)
 


dragoner

Dying in Chargen
There is something almost magical about it!

Since we're on a much better subject- you know what else is good? Burnt ends. I know it's all trendy and stuff now, but they are to die for!

And going back to your first post- it's a truism that the fanciness of the BBQ place and the quality of the BBQ are inversely related, right? ;)
Agreed on both accounts, that certain charred flesh crunchiness, is something else. Lack of pretense is an indicator that the BBQ joint has their priorities straight.
 

MGibster

Legend
Carolina Vinegar Sauces (pork only)
2. Carolina Mustard Sauces (goes great on everything- pork, beef, more pork, ice cream)
3. KC Sauces (good on burnt ends, and even more burnt ends, and... the rest of the burnt ends)
4. Bama White Sauce (CHICKEN!)
4a. Cornell BBQ Sauce (Also Chicken)
5. Memphis/St. Louis Sauces (I would like all racks of ribs, please)
6. Florida Sauces (a little citrus-y, plus just a bit of meth)
7. Texas Sauces (We don't care about BBQ sauce- we're Texas)
I don't think I can be friends with you any more.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Even if it evokes lost cause stuff so what? Don't like it don't watch.

The rebels weren't the CSA while the baddies are the Allianced and even then it's not that clear.

Turns out Joss Whedons a piece of trash himself.
 


Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
As a Brit Firefly got more episodes than The Office or Fawlty Towers. Black Mirror's first three seasons have fewer episodes between them. Life on Mars is 16 episodes.

Life on Mars is so so so good. They tried to do an American version. It was terrible.

I was really fond of Ashes to Ashes too.

Also… I heard there was going to be another series???
 

As a Brit Firefly got more episodes than The Office or Fawlty Towers. Black Mirror's first three seasons have fewer episodes between them. Life on Mars is 16 episodes.

While its clear a lot of British shows have less episode runs than U.S. ones, I also get the impression they tend to be longer per-episode; this may be based on my limited exposure though (mostly being Sherlock and The Musketeers).
 

dragoner

Dying in Chargen
Lousiana hot links, grilled until they are almost falling apart, then on a plate with dirty rice, greens, and drizzled with sauce is pretty durn good too.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Lousiana hot links, grilled until they are almost falling apart, then on a plate with dirty rice, greens, and drizzled with sauce is pretty durn good too.

i am so loving this thread now. Although I am getting really really hungry.

…. We may need to have a BBQ thread.
 

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