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Lanliss

Explorer
I can relate. To me, halflings should look like this:View attachment 74798

If the halfling picture in the PHB looked like this, I would be far more interested in the race. As it stands though, they are just humans that are short. I don't really understand the purpose of halfling, other than nostalgic uses, when the Gnomes make a far more interesting Small Folk.
 

If the halfling picture in the PHB looked like this, I would be far more interested in the race. As it stands though, they are just humans that are short. I don't really understand the purpose of halfling, other than nostalgic uses, when the Gnomes make a far more interesting Small Folk.

Yeah, that's a picture from 2nd edition (Darksun). Halflings in that settings are cannibalistic savages with psionic powers instead of magic.
 


Lanliss

Explorer
Yeah, that's a picture from 2nd edition (Darksun). Halflings in that settings are cannibalistic savages with psionic powers instead of magic.

Just the idea of a savage Halfling sounds better. A tightly muscled, tribal race, geared towards survival in nature. Way better than a bunch of fat hobbits. Aside from the Mastermind picture in the SCAG I have yet to see a picture of a halfling that didn't look pudgy.

As a matter of fact, that will be the halflings in my world now. I have been trying to figure out how to do them in a way that was interesting, and was thinking of just removing them entirely, but I like this.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Just the idea of a savage Halfling sounds better. A tightly muscled, tribal race, geared towards survival in nature. Way better than a bunch of fat hobbits. Aside from the Mastermind picture in the SCAG I have yet to see a picture of a halfling that didn't look pudgy.

I kind of blended the Darksun and Eberorn Halflings together in my last game. They were horde land steppe warrirors riding raptors.
 

steeldragons

Steeliest of the dragons
Epic
It may or may not be common knowledge 'round these parts, but interestingly, @The Grassy Gnoll both of the classes that you liked/were drawn to were done by Larry Elmore. The rest, including those round headshots, are all Jeff Easley.

I concur that Elmore's more crisp and, for lack of a better term, "realistic" work (and Jeff Dee's comic book/superhero-style stuff as well, for me) definitely captured my attention and imagination more than Easley's kind of "brushed wispy" inks.

I was similarly baffled, and I suppose shall be to our dying day, that of all the classes presented in Mentzer, the /Magic-User/ was the one that didn't get a full character shot (and also noted that halfling and elf were forced to "share" a spot, though I personally love elves and halflings and always enjoyed that picture). The guy with the spells?! The wizard?! That's who you think you don't need to show a picture of to people in the real world?! It made [and makes] NO sense to me.

Equally irritating was the severe dearth of images in/among the spell sections. Cleric spells had at least two cool ones (Detect Magic and Cold Resistance, I believe). MUs had barely in it/back of the hood for the Phantasmal Force & Mirror Image (also Easley)...and two small/tiny Elmores, an unconscious halfling near Sleep and a female mage, kind of..."phased out" to indicate Invisibility (or so I've always presumed since it's the only spell description near it that could possibly make sense).

Still, I was in D&D for the magic, man. If it didn't have spells, my interest was immediately lessened. So, no big surprise, art or no, my first ever (and ciontinued favorite) class is the MU/mage, my 2nd was a Cleric (female, as well. haha), and my third was an elf. And through the decades, those [and with AD&D druids and illusionist -in no small part due to that Jeff Dee illusionist image from the Rogue's Gallery- also] have always been my go to/favored classes and humans, elves, halflings [and half-elves with the occasional gnome with AD&D] for my go to races.
 
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Zardnaar

Legend
It may or may not be common knowledge 'round these parts, but interestingly, @The Grassy Gnoll both of the classes that you liked/were drawn to were done by Larry Elmore. The rest, including those round headshots, are all Jeff Easley.

I concur that Elmore's more crisp and, for lack of a better term, "realistic" work (and Jeff Dee's cartoon/superhero stuff as well, for me) definitely captured my attention and imagination more than Easley's kind of "brushed wispy" inks.

I was similarly baffled, and I suppose shall be to our dying day, that of all the classes presented in Mentzer, the /Magic-User/ was the one that didn't get a full character shot (and also noted that halfling and elf were forced to "share" a spot, though I personally love elves and halflings and always enjoyed that picture). The guy with the spells?! The wizard?! That's who you think you don't need to show a picture of to people in the real world?! It made [and makes] NO sense to me.

Equally irritating was the severe dearth of images in/among the spell sections. Cleric spells had at least two cool ones (Detect Magic and Cold Resistance, I believe). MUs had barely in it/back of the hood for the Phantasmal Force & Mirror Image (also Easley)...and two small/tiny Elmores, an unconscious halfling near Sleep and a female mage, kind of..."phased out" to indicate Invisibility (or so I've always presumed since it's the only spell description near it that could possibly make sense).

Still, I was in D&D for the magic, man. If it didn't have spells, my interest was immediately lessened. So, no big surprise, art or no, my first ever (and ciontinued favorite) class is the MU/mage, my 2nd was a Cleric (female, as well. haha), and my third was an elf. And through the decades, those [and with AD&D druids and illusionist -in no small part due to that Jeff Dee illusionist image form the Rogue's Gallery- also] have always been my go to/favored classes and humans, elves, halflings [and half-elves with the occasional gnome with AD&D] for my go to races.

I remember art for raise dead and fly either from the expert blue book or the BECMI rules cyclopedia.
 
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Just the idea of a savage Halfling sounds better. A tightly muscled, tribal race, geared towards survival in nature. Way better than a bunch of fat hobbits. Aside from the Mastermind picture in the SCAG I have yet to see a picture of a halfling that didn't look pudgy.

I read about Ghostwise halflings in SCAG and think, "These guys are probably deliberately evocative of Athasian (Darksun) halflings." They even ride giant owls, and between telepathy and Wisdom bonus they make fantastic Moon Druids.
 

steeldragons

Steeliest of the dragons
Epic
I rememebr art for raise dead and fly either form the expert blue book or the BECMI rules cyclopedia.

You're right. There was a Fly by Elmore in the Expert [BECM] book...and Stone to Flesh, now that I'm thinking about it or was that in the Companion set book(?). But I definitely don't recall any Raise Dead art..in the BECM book...

OH! You're thinking of the Speak with Dead art, another Larry Elmore! haha. But yes, Speak with Dead and Fly would have been in the Mentzer Expert set.

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But for the Basic set, those images were not present. You only had 1st level spells for Clerics (since they didn't get spells until 2nd level) and first and second level spells for Mages. So, for those initial/gfirst introductory images, the spells you mention, while yes having art, were not in those manuals.
 

Lanliss

Explorer
Better art than 5E lol. 5E has great art except for halflings and Gnomes

Yes, most of the art for them is pretty bad. Luckily, there is one good gnome picture, and I feel like it should be the basis for what gnomes should look like. Slender form, but not freakishly thin. The head is the main point of interest for me, in proportion to the body. It is a bit larger, compared to humans, wider than Human heads, but shorter if I am not mistaken. Then you have the gnome art in SCAG, which is basically the opposite. Taller head, and thin instead of wide. Going to the body however, we have good detail on the muscles, and making it obvious as a rock gnome. The only problem I have with it is that he has very well muscled arms, but still has a potbelly? Might as well be a halfling with elf ears. If all of the art looked more like the Gnome picture from PHB I would have no complaint.
 

Lanliss

Explorer
Actually, I should correct myself on one point I made before. The halfling picture in the PHB does not look bad, I just forgot about it. While not amazing or dramatic, it is not anywhere near bad.
 

[MENTION=92511]steeldragons[/MENTION] yep, Larry Elmore, Jeff Dee, and Jim Roslof (Thor from L&L!) were by far my faves. Along with the wee cartoon funnies from the Ad&d DMG.
 


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