D&D 5E (2024) 2024 edition questions

[FrogReaver]

Wait, aren't Frenzy Barbarians a lot better? They get an extra +2d6 so an extra 7 for 26 average each turn.

Zealot gets +5.5. Frenzy does get +7. Difference would be +1.5.

 

[Shardstone]

Zealot gets +5.5. Frenzy does get +7. Difference would be +1.5.

Oh duh, thanks.

 

[FrogReaver]

Oh duh, thanks.

Level 4 with GWM looks pretty good though.

Assuming it bumps your Str up to the +4 mod from +3 then it nets you +3 Damage.

So 22 total. Since you do so much damage on a hit you should get quite a few kills so should also trigger GWM bonus action attack quite a bit.

 

[Shardstone]

Level 4 with GWM looks pretty good though.

Assuming it bumps your Str up to the +4 mod from +3 then it nets you +3 Damage.

So 22 total. Since you do so much damage on a hit you should get quite a few kills so should also trigger GWM bonus action attack quite a bit.

Ya Barbarians are pretty monstrous now, I had no idea. I'm just now getting back into game design after a break for a few months.

Looks like I need to reevaluate balance for my 3PP and homebrew...

 

[Shardstone]

Level 4 with GWM looks pretty good though.

Assuming it bumps your Str up to the +4 mod from +3 then it nets you +3 Damage.

So 22 total. Since you do so much damage on a hit you should get quite a few kills so should also trigger GWM bonus action attack quite a bit.

Do you happen to have on hand average damage outputs for various classes, or links to threads where I can find that.

 

[FrogReaver]

Do you happen to have on hand average damage outputs for various classes, or links to threads where I can find that.

I don’t right off but I’d be happy to help create a list.

My personal observation so far is that for melee ~30 DPR at level 5 is good and achievable multiple routes and ~50 DPR is good at level 11.

*Assumes 60% Base to hit.

Ranged probably comes in about 2/3 of that.

 

[Shardstone]

I don’t right off but I’d be happy to help create a list.

My personal observation so far is that for melee ~30 DPR at level 5 is good and achievable multiple routes and ~50 DPR is good at level 11.

Ranged probably comes in about 2/3 of that.

Would be wonderful, and ty very much for the benchmarks.

 

[FrogReaver]

Would be wonderful, and ty very much for the benchmarks.

What level or levels are you most interested in?

 

[Shardstone]

What level or levels are you most interested in?

I would prefer granular so 1-20 but that's a lot to ask, so the five benchmarks I'm specifically honing in on are 1, 3, 5, 11, 17. Everything between that is pretty dependent on a host of particulars.

 

[FrogReaver]

*Excluding Critical Damage

Zealot Barbarian - Greataxe and Cleave Mastery, Savage Attacker Origin Feat, 17 Str at level 1

Level 1
Attack 1
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +2
Savage Attacker +2
Strength Mod +3
Damage = 13.5

Possible Cleave Attack
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +2
Damage = 8.5

Accuracy
60%
36% Cleave (at least one attack and cleave attack need to hit)

Final
DPR without cleave = 8.1
DPR with cleave = 11.2



Level 3
Attack 1
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +2
Savage Attacker +2
Strength Mod +3
Damage = 13.5

Possible Cleave Attack
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +2
Damage = 8.5

Zealot Divine Fury
Divine Fury Damage = 5.5

Accuracy
84% (Reckless Attack)
70.6% Cleave (at least one attack and cleave attack need to hit)
84% Zealot Divine Fury

Final
DPR without cleave = 16
DPR with cleave = 22



Level 5
Attack 1
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +2
Savage Attacker +2
Strength Mod +4
GWM +3
Damage = 17.5

Attack 2
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +2
Strength Mod +4
GWM +3
Damage = 15.5

Possible Cleave Attack
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +2
Damage = 8.5 (some dispute over whether GWM applies, I think it does not)

Zealot Divine Fury
Divine Fury 6.5

GWM bonus attack (from crit only)
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +2
Strength Mod +4
Damage = 12.5

Accuracy
84% (Reckless Attack)
97.4% Zealot Divine Fury
81.8% Cleave
15.6% GWM bonus attack

DPR without cleave = 36
DPR with cleave = 43



Level 11
Attack 1
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +3
Savage Attacker +2
Strength Mod +5
GWM +4
Damage = 20.5

Attack 2
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +3
Strength Mod +5
GWM +4
Damage = 18.5

Possible Cleave Attack
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +3
Damage = 9.5 (some dispute over whether GWM applies, I think it does not)

Zealot Divine Fury
Divine Fury 8.5

GWM bonus attack (from crit only)
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +3
Strength Mod +5
Damage = 14.5

Accuracy
84% (Reckless Attack)
97.4% Zealot Divine Fury
81.8% Cleave
15.6% GWM bonus attack

DPR without cleave = 43.3
DPR with cleave = 51.1



Level 17
Attack 1
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +4
Savage Attacker +2
Strength Mod +5
GWM +6
Damage = 23.5

Attack 2
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +4
Strength Mod +5
GWM +6
Damage = 21.5

Possible Cleave Attack
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +4
Damage = 10.5 (some dispute over whether GWM applies, I think it does not)

Zealot Divine Fury
Divine Fury 11.5

GWM bonus attack (from crit only)
Greataxe +6.5
Rage +4
Strength Mod +5
Damage = 15.5

Accuracy
84% (Reckless Attack)
97.4% Zealot Divine Fury
81.8% Cleave
15.6% GWM bonus attack

DPR without cleave = 51.4
DPR with cleave = 60