Flurry of Touch Attacks

[Hypersmurf]

As a monks unarmed strike is treated both as a manufactured and a natural weapon for purposes of spells and effects, would not it count as a natural weapon for the Energy Drain effect ?

For the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve manufactured weapons or natural weapons.

Energy drain is not an improvement to a natural weapon. It's a special ability that triggers when you strike with a natural weapon.

-Hyp.

 

[moritheil]

Oddly enough, a slam attack is listed as being attacking with the hands, legs, or body, and an unarmed strike is listed in much the same fashion. I would suggest that it would be a reasonable house rule for DMs who feel the need to challenge their parties, if nothing else.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Oddly enough, a slam attack is listed as being attacking with the hands, legs, or body, and an unarmed strike is listed in much the same fashion. I would suggest that it would be a reasonable house rule for DMs who feel the need to challenge their parties, if nothing else.

A slam attack does not provoke an AoO. An unarmed strike does.

A slam attack deals lethal damage. An unarmed strike deals non-lethal damage.

A creature attacking with a longsword and a slam attack takes no penalty on his longsword attack, and a -5 penalty on his slam attack as a secondary natural weapon. A creature attacking with a longsword and an unarmed strike takes a -4 penalty on his longsword attack and a -8 penalty on his unarmed strike, per the two-weapon fighting rules.

They might both be attacking with the hands, legs, or body, but one is a natural weapon and the other isn't.

-Hyp.

 

[godfear]

Incorrectly, it would seem

Support from the 3.5 Main FAQ, p6 (for what that's worth):
It’s worth noting here that a vampire monk using its unarmed strike ability is not using its slam attack and cannot drain energy.

-Hyp.

Fair enough. ; )

 

[aimster]

As a monks unarmed strike is treated both as a manufactured and a natural weapon for purposes of spells and effects, would not it count as a natural weapon for the Energy Drain effect ?

Its a whole lot less shaky than trying to count it as a natural weapon for the purposes of feat prerequisites which half the board seems to be hell bent on doing so they can exploit Improved Natural Attack for their monks...

I'm having a blond moment. I know I saw a magic item that granted an enhancement bonus to a monks natural attacks and a druids wild shape. I think it was a necklace or amulet (not 100% sure). I know it was priced at plus squared times 6000. What book is this in? It is making me crazy...OK crazier

The Aimster

 

[saucercrab]

Amulet of Mighty Fists, DMG.

 

[moritheil]

A slam attack does not provoke an AoO. An unarmed strike does.

A slam attack deals lethal damage. An unarmed strike deals non-lethal damage.

A creature attacking with a longsword and a slam attack takes no penalty on his longsword attack, and a -5 penalty on his slam attack as a secondary natural weapon. A creature attacking with a longsword and an unarmed strike takes a -4 penalty on his longsword attack and a -8 penalty on his unarmed strike, per the two-weapon fighting rules.

They might both be attacking with the hands, legs, or body, but one is a natural weapon and the other isn't.

-Hyp.

The case we were talking about referred to a monk's Improved Unarmed Strikes, which of course deal lethal or nonlethal damage at the monk's option.

I didn't say that the rules supported it; I merely noted that if a DM wanted to, he/she could house rule it and it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable.

Thanks for the figures, though.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The case we were talking about referred to a monk's Improved Unarmed Strikes, which of course deal lethal or nonlethal damage at the monk's option.

And doesn't provoke an AoO, and is treated as a natural weapon for the purpose of effects that improve or enhance natural weapons.

None of that actual makes a monk's unarmed strike a natural weapon, so a vampire monk can't use energy drain with his unarmed strike, only with a slam, bite, claw, gore, etc.

-Hyp.