GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8--Final Run-- Part 5

[Sadras]

[video=youtube;CpTZ-tC81yA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpTZ-tC81yA[/video]


Edit: meant to post this in the What Are You Listening To? thread. They released it two days ago.

This is the most character development we have ever seen on the Night King

 

[jonesy]

George R. R. Martin Wanted More 'Game of Thrones'

David and Dan have been saying for like five seasons that seven seasons is all they would go,” the “Game of Thrones” author continued. “We got them to go to eight but not any more than that. There was a period like five years ago when they were saying seven seasons and I was saying 10 seasons and they won, they’re the ones actually working on it.

 

[hawkeyefan]

I mean....I’m don’t typically criticize GRRM for taking so long with the books....but I can’t really blame anyone who doesn’t take his advice to increase the length of their series....

 

[Zardnaar]

This. It's possible to enjoy something and still be critical of it. There are parts of Game of Thrones that I think could be done better, but I still love the show.

Hatewatching only feeds fandom toxicity.

Quality didn't fall off a cliff until this season mostly from the 3rd episode. By then you have 3 episode left after watching for 8 years so may as well finish it

The difference is even the casuals are wtf. YouTube is overwhelmingly negative BBC gave the episode 2/5 and workmates also don't like it.

Episode 1 was typical first episode, 2 was really good and then bleah.

 

[Mallus]

This is the most character development we have ever seen on the Night King

The Night King isn’t really a character, tho. Why expect additional development or point-of-view from him at this late stage? The Night King is a supernatural foil for the human evil in the series.

edit: he’s also anthropomorphized climate change!

 

[Maxperson]

I said that the portrayal of the scorpion use could have been handled better. The angles could have been clearer or a line of dialogue could have been added to help clarify what was happening.

The angles were irrelevant. The problems are that you simply cannot turn those things fast enough to hit fast moving targets, while bobbing up and down in an ocean, and at a distance that is too far away to reach the dragons. Also, slow moving ships cannot get out and into position before being seen by flyers looking at the island.

 

[Kramodlog]

I love the end of this series. It gives what people want (murder as justice) and yet they are not satisfied. Dany has been torturing, burning and crucifying people for years. And fans have been cheering on. Desiring those murders. Cause they didn't have a problem with murder as justice. People cheer for dictators, murderous or not, all the time. Like in Batman: The Dark Knight. They cheer for a vigilante who builds a surveillance state.

The series still suck because it was rushed, and this is why people will take no lesson from Dany's murderous rage (it is what dictators do, so stop cheering for them). But there is a lesson here. Murderous is not the solution. Stop asking and cheering for it.

 

[Zardnaar]

Those scorpions were bigger than anything IRL. Max range IRL is around 400 metres, effective range about half of that.
You couldn't really use siege weapons to sink ships reliably before gunpowder. It's why they used boarding and Rams.

I don't expect a massive amount of realism in shows like GoT, but they keep doing idiotic stuff like marching the Golden Company outside the city walls.

I suppose you might do that if you think you can win or have no hope of a relief army. Besieging a city was just as dangerous to the attackers as defenders though.

They did the same thing with the Dothraki. Supposed to be the best light cavalry in the world and they derp charge them.

There's plenty of military bunglers IRL though so yeah. I guess they were going for cool visuals or something.

 

[hawkeyefan]

The angles were irrelevant. The problems are that you simply cannot turn those things fast enough to hit fast moving targets, while bobbing up and down in an ocean, and at a distance that is too far away to reach the dragons. Also, slow moving ships cannot get out and into position before being seen by flyers looking at the island.

You know the range for ballistae in a fictional world, huh? And how likely it would be for one to hit a moving target? And who says the ships are slow moving?

I get it if it didn’t work for you. I wasn’t crazy about how the scene where Rhaegon was killed either. But not because it was implausible....more that it was poorly presented.

 

[Maxperson]

You know the range for ballistae in a fictional world, huh?

About 1200 yards. It wasn't accurate to that range, though.

And how likely it would be for one to hit a moving target?

Next to impossible. It's "next to impossible," because they might somehow win the lottery and sling a one in a million shot. 4 of them? Not a chance.

And who says the ships are slow moving?

Both history and GoT where we see slow moving ships.

I get it if it didn’t work for you. I wasn’t crazy about how the scene where Rhaegon was killed either. But not because it was implausible....more that it was poorly presented.

It didn't work for precisely because of how implausible it was. If they had a scorpion hiding in the trees near where she lands and shot her dragon when it landed, that would have been plausible, despite how hard it would have been to get the scorpion there and hidden. There were ways to kill off the dragon that were possible, and they didn't go with one.

Don't get me wrong. Despite parts of piss poor writing, I've enjoyed every episode except for number 3, which I didn't see despite watching it. I'm just going to call out the poor parts for what they are and not excuse them.

 

[Zardnaar]

You know the range for ballistae in a fictional world, huh? And how likely it would be for one to hit a moving target? And who says the ships are slow moving?

I get it if it didn’t work for you. I wasn’t crazy about how the scene where Rhaegon was killed either. But not because it was implausible....more that it was poorly presented.

AA fire in WW2 with exploding shells wasn't that effective and relied on lots of flak.

Shooting a Dragon down in the air at hundreds of metres range is fairly implausible, and shots at that range with military rifles is difficult for the average soldier through to WW2 (it's why the Germans invented the MP44).

 

[Tonguez]

Shooting a Dragon down in the air at hundreds of metres range is fairly implausible

Read that sentence again slowly and realise you are discussing DRAGONS

 

[hawkeyefan]

Shooting a Dragon down in the air at hundreds of metres range is fairly implausible

Let me ask you....is it more implausible than the dragon?

 

[Zardnaar]

Let me ask you....is it more implausible than the dragon?

Dragons make sense in the context of their world.

Dragons aren't invincible, see season 6 iirc but it's jarring to see one shot down and then in the next episode they can't hit one to literally save their lives.

More of a pacing issue, problem they have had since season 7.

 

[Maxperson]

Read that sentence again slowly and realise you are discussing DRAGONS

That's not even relevant. When you have a fantasy show, the additional fantasy elements like dragons and magic are accepted as making sense for the genre. The same cannot be said for mundane items that correspond to the real world. Just because a show has dragons, does not mean that someone is going to just accept that a normal arrow fired from a normal bow can make several right turns in the air on the way to the target.

Your argument is specious at best.

 

[hawkeyefan]

Dragons make sense in the context of their world.

Dragons aren't invincible, see season 6 iirc but it's jarring to see one shot down and then in the next episode they can't hit one to literally save their lives.

More of a pacing issue, problem they have had since season 7.

Sure dragons make sense in the fictional context. And so would weapons designed to combat dragons.

Especially when those weapons are designed by a mad scientist capable of creating flesh golems and with the full resources of the crown in a world where extraordinary materials exist.

 

[Zardnaar]

Sure dragons make sense in the fictional context. And so would weapons designed to combat dragons.

Especially when those weapons are designed by a mad scientist capable of creating flesh golems and with the full resources of the crown in a world where extraordinary materials exist.

As I said it was the execution of everything. Personally I would have had Dany steamroll Cersei a the end of season 7, and have season 8 focus on the Night King who over runs the North and makes it to Kings Landing.

 

[Sadras]

The Night King isn’t really a character, tho. Why expect additional development or point-of-view from him at this late stage? The Night King is a supernatural foil for the human evil in the series.

edit: he’s also anthropomorphized climate change!

That is on me, I should have maybe included an emoji in my tongue-and-cheek post.

 

[Sadras]

Read that sentence again slowly and realise you are discussing DRAGONS

I do not understand this line of argument which gets repeated in this and other threads.
Just because a supernatural creature exists in the story doesn't mean the rest of reality/believability within the show needs to become unhinged.

 

[Sadras]

I love the end of this series. It gives what people want (murder as justice) and yet they are not satisfied. Dany has been torturing, burning and crucifying people for years. And fans have been cheering on. Desiring those murders. Cause they didn't have a problem with murder as justice. People cheer for dictators, murderous or not, all the time. Like in Batman: The Dark Knight. They cheer for a vigilante who builds a surveillance state.

The series still suck because it was rushed, and this is why people will take no lesson from Dany's murderous rage (it is what dictators do, so stop cheering for them). But there is a lesson here. Murderous is not the solution. Stop asking and cheering for it.

If Batman actually ended the Joker the 2nd, 3rd, xth time he caught him, one might see a significant decrease in victims every time the super-villain escapes from the asylum. Not buying this 'let live' crap.

I'm pretty sure everyone was satisfied with the killing of Ramsay and Joffrey.