GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8--Final Run-- Part 6---THE END

Joker

Visitor
So did Bran basically plan all this from the start?
I think he's like a super computer and sees a lot of different possible paths at once. He then tries to steer people in the right direction for the best outcome, taking into account how people's actions might change if he tells them anything.
But that's just how I choose to see it. The makers of the show have been uncomfortable with the magic elements from the get go. So we don't really know how Bran's powers work.
 

pukunui

Adventurer
I was not entirely convinced by some of the choices in the final moments of Game of Thrones' floor routine. Some of the moves were not well-rehearsed and were therefore poorly executed. But, boy, did they stick the landing!
 

Zardnaar

Hero
The big unresolved question though is...

What is Brans tax policy now he had the Iron Chair?

They have a fleet, sewage system and brothels to rebuild.
 

Joker

Visitor
The running theme throughout the final season was the distinctive lack of continuity. Things that happened in previous episodes had very little bearing on the following episode/s.

The Red Keep falls on Jaime and Cersei in the previous episode, and in the final we discover it was just a couple of well-placed bricks that hit them. If they'd moved 5 steps to the left they'd have been fine. Arya rides away from the direction of the Red Keep in the previous episode, but then this episode begins there, with her there. Where was she riding to? From a writing viewpoint, what was the point of the horse? The season is full of continuity blunders large and small. The end of the Dothraki, nope here they are. The power of the scorpions, gone. Jaime decides to stay north, nope going south.
It's the main criticism of the show, I reckon, that the pacing is so very off. I think it was Mallory and Jason from The Ringer (great website) who said it seems like David and David had an ending in mind and back-tracked (traced) a story from that point. Sort of like how you come up with a backcronym. You come up with a word ironically related to the project and try to decide what the letters stand for, often in a convoluted way.

It's unfortunate that the writing falls short of the work the actors and crew have put it. The visuals are really stunning. So is the wardrobe and the set design.

I can appreciate those things and the vast majority of the series but I'm somewhat deflated after this sub-par season.
 

Zardnaar

Hero
My favorite reaction.
Today Brock Lesnar won the money in the bank briefcase without being entered in the match. Still makes more sense than this episode.
 

Joker

Visitor
I do want to give a special shout out to Emilia Clarke for really bringing her A-game. I can easily believe the logic of her madness.
 

lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
As endings go - it ended!

To quote the most inarguable wisdom ever uttered in any work of great profundity-

"Everything ends badly- otherwise it wouldn't end."

Anyway, I'm looking forward to watching the spinoff series with Arya's gap year. She's all like, "Y'all enjoy your thrones and stuff. Ima go to Europe!"
 

Raunalyn

Adventurer
The show ended pretty much how I expected it to (I called Bran winning the throne 2 seasons ago). I do have some complaints about the continuity.

Last episode, especially...what was the point of Arya finding the white horse?

Did she become death? Was she dead and the horse was taking her home?

D&D: "Nah, my bad...forget that scene! Red herring and all. Oooo, look!! Shiney Dragon breathing fire!! Oooooo.....Ahhhhhh!"

Like I said...pacing, continuity were big blunders this season. That and the lack of a sense of time; throughout the series, this has been an issue, actually. The way the editing and scenes roll, it makes it seem like Westeros is the size of Delaware.
 
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Umbran

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Staff member
While the writing dual of D&D were able to take the novels and create a script out of it, doing something 'original' those two failed badly.
It wasn't original. They were writing to GRRM's outline.

There is a petition to get season 8 remade with competent writes;
Each episode costs something like $10 million to produce.

To get it remade, you don't need a petition with 1 million signatures. You need $100 million.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Number of faces worn by Arya? Zero.

Number of political schemes enacted by Sansa: maaaybe one if "telling Tyrion the truth" counts as a scheme.

Number of useful things Bran learned with his visions: maaaybe one, if "the Night King wants to kill me, not that he doesn't want to kill everyone else too" counts as useful.
You seem to forget one of GRRM's stated purposes in writing the series - to teach genre fans lessons about how things don't work out the way they want them, to specifically defy your narrative expectations.
 

Mort

Community Supporter
The one thing I can't really get over - how the heck is Jon Snow alive after what he did?

I get Drogon not killing him -though I wish Drogon had doused him in dragon fire - and it not work (except maybe to turn his hair platinum - that would have been cool) - and in the process melt the iron throne (it was right there).

But Grey Worm, the unsulied and a Dothraki horde were right there!

Grey worm was executing people who were even slightly loyal to Cercei (you took her orders - dead!), how would he react to the person who killed his queen? Left in a cell until the other nobles get there? That makes no sense for the point of view established for him!

The Dothraki would have trampled him down! I mean really, wait until another authority got there - no way.

I wish they'd at least have had a quick scene showing how the heck he survived - because it's just that unlikely.
 

lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
The one thing I can't really get over - how the heck is Jon Snow alive after what he did?

I get Drogon not killing him -though I wish Drogon had doused him in dragon fire - and it not work (except maybe to turn his hair platinum - that would have been cool) - and in the process melt the iron throne (it was right there).

But Grey Worm, the unsulied and a Dothraki horde were right there!

Grey worm was executing people who were even slightly loyal to Cercei (you took her orders - dead!), how would he react to the person who killed his queen? Left in a cell until the other nobles get there? That makes no sense for the point of view established for him!

The Dothraki would have trampled him down! I mean really, wait until another authority got there - no way.

I wish they'd at least have had a quick scene showing how the heck he survived - because it's just that unlikely.
Well, he survived because no one saw him kill Dany, so no one knew he did! I mean, it's not like her body was there, and only Drogon saw him enter.

.... so, wait, how did he get arrested?

He must have told Grey Worm! All guilty and stuff.

.... so, why didn't Grey Worm kill him?

.... because no one knew he did it! I mean ....


Eh, something something MAGIC!
 

Mort

Community Supporter
Well, he survived because no one saw him kill Dany, so no one knew he did! I mean, it's not like her body was there, and only Drogon saw him enter.

.... so, wait, how did he get arrested?

He must have told Grey Worm! All guilty and stuff.

.... so, why didn't Grey Worm kill him?

.... because no one knew he did it! I mean ....


Eh, something something MAGIC!
John is so ludicrously " truth and honor above all else,"that frankly, I'd have been less surprised if he'd stabbed himself after the incident. That would have worked (at least on that front) for me.
 

Ralif Redhammer

Adventurer
And that's one of the main things I appreciate about the ending and this season - we didn't get entirely what we expected. I certainly would've lost the betting pool on Bran becoming king.

The ending worked for me. Bittersweet, sad, and hopeful at the same time. And really, it's probably the only ending we're going to get for the book series.

And I don’t think it’s as happy-ish as it might seem at first glance. Dorne has always chafed at being part of the Seven Kingdoms – seeing the North’s example, I think they’ll secede from the Six Kingdoms. I doubt the idea of an elected monarch will last – all it’ll take is someone with the power and clout to make their heir a ruler. As for Arya, in the history books GRRM wrote, other people have decided to go sailing to the west…it never goes well.

You seem to forget one of GRRM's stated purposes in writing the series - to teach genre fans lessons about how things don't work out the way they want them, to specifically defy your narrative expectations.
 

lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
And that's one of the main things I appreciate about the ending and this season - we didn't get entirely what we expected. I certainly would've lost the betting pool on Bran becoming king.

The ending worked for me. Bittersweet, sad, and hopeful at the same time. And really, it's probably the only ending we're going to get for the book series.

And I don’t think it’s as happy-ish as it might seem at first glance. Dorne has always chafed at being part of the Seven Kingdoms – seeing the North’s example, I think they’ll secede from the Six Kingdoms. I doubt the idea of an elected monarch will last – all it’ll take is someone with the power and clout to make their heir a ruler. As for Arya, in the history books GRRM wrote, other people have decided to go sailing to the west…it never goes well.
I was really hoping that, as Jon "Not Dead Yet" Snow went into the wilderness with his assorted friends, followers, wolf, and Tormund "Got Milk" Giantsbane to star in his new reality show-

Jon Snow's Snow Show - GO! ....

that the camera would fade to black, and then ....

we would see it come back to Jon Snow's face, lying in the snow (of course), dying after being attacked by the Night's Watch. That's right!

Everything after the end of SEASON 5 was just Jon dying in the snow, dreaming.

It's like Lost, except both worse, and also (by cancelling the last three seasons) .... better?
 

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