GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8--Final Run-- Part 6---THE END

The biggest crime IMO was just how boring this episode was. Why add the extra 20 minutes? Oh, so we can watch everyone slow walk with zero dialogue.

As for what I hoped to see: A more heated argument between Jon and Arya about what needed to be done with a wishy-washy Jon. The stab happens and Jon peels away his face as Arya wells up with tears over what she had to do to make sure the right thing was done. Then fleeing with a plan to head West.
 

jonesy

A Wicked Kendragon
Another thing about lost continuity. I know they never mentioned it on the show, but it's possible that the Unsullied are sailing to their doom. The Isle of Naath is home to butterflies which spread a plague to anyone who wasn't born there. That's the reason they are 'peaceful people' as Missandei said. They don't need to defend themselves. Outsiders who go there die.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Naath

Corsairs from the Basilisk Isles have landed on the island countless times. None of these invaders survived, however, all falling victim to the butterfly fever, a horrific plague which makes its victims violently spasm and die. The Naathi are immune to this local disease, which is theorized to be carried by the butterflies of the island. The Naathi claim that none of these invaders maintained a permanent presence on the island for more than a single year.
 
You seem to forget one of GRRM's stated purposes in writing the series - to teach genre fans lessons about how things don't work out the way they want them, to specifically defy your narrative expectations.
Oh that's nonsense. There's fantasy tropes of the hero fighting a heroic duel and saving the day and winning the princess. That stuff he's pushing back on.

But then there's just good storytelling. You don't devote 2 seasons to a character gaining a skill only to have her not even bring up that she has that skill. And especially in GRRM's writing, characters are supposed to act realistically, and I'm pretty sure a realistic Arya would tell people who want to kill Cersei that she has "one neat trick to kill Cersei."
 

mortwatcher

Explorer
Another thing about lost continuity. I know they never mentioned it on the show, but it's possible that the Unsullied are sailing to their doom. The Isle of Naath is home to butterflies which spread a plague to anyone who wasn't born there. That's the reason they are 'peaceful people' as Missandei said. They don't need to defend themselves. Outsiders who go there die.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Naath
yep, they are basically committing mass suicide

with how this season went, it kinda makes sense that is doesn't make any sense
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
But then there's just good storytelling. You don't devote 2 seasons to a character gaining a skill only to have her not even bring up that she has that skill.
Television does not always give you the luxury of knowing how you are going to be allowed to end your story. My understanding is that the decision to have the 7th and 8th season be brief was a business decision made after that (and other issues we could point to) were already in motion. When they cut your episode count, you have to cut material. Such is the nature of television at the moment.

I mean, look back at Babylon 5, some of the best storytelling in TV ever done. They got their chain yanked over whether they were going to have a 5th season - the result was a pretty crummy 5th season. It happens.
 
My understanding is that HBO wanted the showrunners to keep going for more seasons, and offered money for more episodes, but Weiss and Benioff declined.

Even if the shorter seasons were imposed on them, there are myriad ways to write the ending of this show that make the events leading up to this season have more import.

Babylon 5's fourth season is stupendous because, despite being rushed, JMS was able to wrap up the various plot threads in a satisfying way. The mediocre fifth season is a different issue. It's not like Game of Thrones wrapped up its plots and then got renewed again.

I'm not saying the showrunners are monsters or anything. I'm just saying that they wrote a bad ending from a purely technical standpoint. I don't care whether character A lives or character B gets with their love interest, or whatever. I just want effective set-up and pay-off, and this show failed at that after many years of being the pinnacle of it.
 

jonesy

A Wicked Kendragon


Captain Stark, the faceless wolf, the smiling death, bane of the far seas, slayer of kraken, silence of the seas, the wave that strikes like thunder.
 

Tonguez

Adventurer
how do so many Dothraki keep coming back? they seem to keep multiplying quicker than the dead!!!

anyway after two weeks of terrible battles, having a slower pace was strangely cathartic

but it must have been an American who thought that ending with a democratic monarchy with a six state electoral college was a good idea

but I was right about Sansa being Queen of the North and Jon going back to the Black Watch
 
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Zardnaar

Hero
One of the most successful monarchies of all time had a 7 elector system.

It also makes sense in Westeros, how they executed it and who they elected is another matter.
 

Sadras

Adventurer
To be fair, one of the positives from this season, were the 12,000 of the original 8,000 unsullied who survived.
 

Imaculata

Adventurer
I watched this last episode in a packed movie theater. It was disappointing, but not as disappointing as I expected it to be. There were a few enjoyable moments, plus some stellar acting from Dinklage.
 

Zardnaar

Hero
I liked it more than I thought I would. Some things made sense at least relative to the rest of the season. Episode 3 to 5 inflicted most of the damage.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
The show ended pretty much how I expected it to (I called Bran winning the throne 2 seasons ago). I do have some complaints about the continuity.
I'll share that with you. I called Tyrion ruling the south and Sansa ruling the north as a separate kingdom. Since Bran spends most of his time staring at walls while he is three eyed ravening around the world, Tyrion is the one who is really ruling the south. ;)
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Each episode costs something like $10 million to produce.

To get it remade, you don't need a petition with 1 million signatures. You need $100 million.
Just a nitpick, but it's $60 million. If it was 10 episodes they would have had more time to end things without so much being rushed to conclusion.
 

Sadras

Adventurer
Very little made sense in the final.

Especially the jokers who sat at the small council with fanfiction dialogue.
Very early on in the show Tyrion had to explain what a bank is Bronn, now the dude is the Master of Coins.
Apparently all it takes is to be an avid book reader to be Maester on the council. There is a lot more than just greyscale one needs to learn.
And Master of Grammar is Ser Davos taught by Shireen.
And why does Bran, of all....creatures, need a Master of Whispers


Bran declared himself 3-eyed raven hence he could not be Lord of Winterfell, but is ok with the title King of the 6 Kingdoms. Masterful player of the game, this dude, also pretty evil given that he might have known/suspected the scorched human policy to be effected in KL (even though he is not supposed to know the future). Dr Strange-Bran.
Ok I will say Bran is younger than Cersei, but is he really more beautiful than her?

Pedestrian (she lost her horse) Marya Sue had to tell Jon Snow what a killer looks like - because all those years serving at the the Night's Watch he was mingling with income tax fraudsters.

Greyworm was ready to kill Davos and the Queen's bff for the sake of 5 Lannister soldiers but was able to show restraint after Daenerys's death for weeks while keeping Tyrion and Jon prisoner.

Apparently the Last War was just a precursor to many more wars all across the world, ofc this is excused because she had gone full retard at this point.

The casting department made an error and inadvertently hired too many PoC to play Unsullied and Dothraki. It would have been bad PR to turn them away so they all got a part in the show.
There is literally a scene where the Unsullied are escorting Tyrion and a soldier's junk is flaying about for all to see. Forget #FakeNews, #FakeEunuchs are the worst!

It was evident that the Unsullied feared Jon would kill Tyrion or that Tyrion would kill Jon (really?), hence the weapon handover, but when it comes to visit for their Queen, well....you can just keep your weapon.

After the plebithide, the dragon had just acquired enough XP to increase in level and immediately placed all of his ASI's in Intelligence thus understanding the importance of the Iron Throne. He, like Greyworm, worked through his emotional rage and spared Jon.

As for the Greater Council, which only reflected less than a dozen title holders, guess they ran out of extras (but not plastic bottles).
I was amazed Dorne didn't desire their own independence given their nation's history, especially when Sansa declared the North as independent.
Someone needs to tell Tyrion he is also Lord of Casterly Rock.

Get ready to follow Stark Trek as we follow Arya who boldly goes where no man (or woman) has gone before.

Anyhoo...

EDIT: Also why would they want their own lands/titles and houses - they would be over in a single generation. I guess where wars failed to reduce their numbers, having a house will.

Also last 3-Eyed Raven lived for thousands of years (according to the show)...so that is a really long time for the next election. Dictator4Life!
This is the dude that told his sister she looked hot the night of her raping.
He has the best words, Making Westeros Great Again, one bad script at a time.
 
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