Gay men or women who play D&D

[Wulf Ratbane]

Everyone wants to be good, no one wants to be evil...

What color is the sky in your world?

 

[Furn_Darkside]

What color is the sky in your world?

Salutations,

I think Henry has a point to a degree-

If you witness people facing charges of bad behavior, then many will try to justify their behavior- I suspect it is mostly for their own attempt at keeping some self-respect.

But, I don't think that applies to this discussion. heh.

FD

 

[seasong]

BeholderBurger:
I'm bi. My current group is mostly gay/lesbian with a token straight. I won't speak for them, just for me.

Or try to. Your questions confused me a bit .

I'm always conservative in terms of how much of myself I show to the world-at-large. Among close friends, I can be very demonstrative of affection, I allow my emotions to show, I freely talk about biographical details, I share my thoughts.

With the rest of the world, I provide enough of the above that I look like a complete picture, but it remains very shallow. On the other hand, I've always answered direct questions directly - if someone at work asked me what my orientation was, I'd feel no more pressure to lie than if they asked me what state I was born in.

For me, at least, it's a matter of privacy, rather than conformity.

 

[Furn_Darkside]

I think that there is an undercurrent among gamers that some gay men and women might interpret as homophobic, but is - at least in my opinion - simply xenophobic.

I don't know about any undercurrent- I do my best to stay out of my buddies/players personal lives.. and could care less what they do in their bedrooms. I could not even tell you if any of them are in any romantic relationship at all.

One of my players has made some derogatory comments towards homosexuals, but since we game under my roof- I made it clear that is not appreciated at my table. The same way racist comments are not allowed at my table.

However- on the same token, I don't appreciate the suggestion that people who don't approve of homosexuality suffer from some type of mental illness in the form of an irrational fear of homosexuality.

I don't care for the consumption of alcohol and avoid situations where I will be confronted with people doing it. It is hardly an irrational fear (or any type of fear or phobia) of alcohol consumption.

Respectfully submitted
FD

 

[Henry]

What color is the sky in your world?

Wulf, name one real individual who ever set out to do an act they considered evil. Even serial killers and tyrants are acting in what they consider to be their own best interests. The only time someone consciously sets out to do something they know is wrong is in highly emotional states, and the majority of those will cease to do those actions if they ever stop to think about them carefully.

 

[EverSoar]

Well i'm a gay gamer for one

But the one thing i've noticed, i'll have no qualms playing a female character. Whereas my straight players would never play a female character. I guess we are more comfortable with the fact thats its ok to "role' play female characters, that may fall in love with a male character.

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

Wulf, name one real individual who ever set out to do an act they considered evil.

Charles Manson.

Done.

 

[am181d]

Wulf, name one real individual who ever set out to do an act they considered evil. Even serial killers and tyrants are acting in what they consider to be their own best interests. The only time someone consciously sets out to do something they know is wrong is in highly emotional states, and the majority of those will cease to do those actions if they ever stop to think about them carefully.

That's not true. Two quick counter-examples:

1) Store clerk sells cigarettes to minors. He knows it's wrong, but checking IDs is a drag.

2) Teenager shoplifts, not because he needs the shirt he steals, but because he enjoys transgressing.

Beyond those, I'm sure there are plenty of people (hired killers, etc.) who would have no problem admitting that what they do (whatever they do) is evil.

 

[WizarDru]

One of my current players is gay, and I've had others in the past. It's never been an issue either way. Sexuality doesn't have a large bearing on the game per se, outside of some fairly basic inter-pc or pc-npc relations that are kept mostly to the side. Is a gay player more likely to have a character who is gay? Yes. Does this tend to have a huge bearing on the game proper? No.

I have only lost one player to predjudices in the past twenty-two years, when he became 'born again'. In that particular instance, the player merely stopped playing and left the group. None of my players have ever felt (or at least never communicated to me) that they needed to conform to anything other than the printed rules. If there is a noticable difference between a hetero gamer and a homosexual gamer, I've never noticed it.

 

[WizarDru]

That's not true. Two quick counter-examples:

1) Store clerk sells cigarettes to minors. He knows it's wrong, but checking IDs is a drag.

2) Teenager shoplifts, not because he needs the shirt he steals, but because he enjoys transgressing.

Beyond those, I'm sure there are plenty of people (hired killers, etc.) who would have no problem admitting that what they do (whatever they do) is evil.

I think you're missing Henry's point. They don't think it's evil. Unethical or immoral, yes, but not evil. Both of those examples fall under the "it's not really hurting anyone" category.

A good example is that of Londo Mollari on Babylon5. The architect of the murder of millions...all in the name of Nationalism and pride. He didn't see himself as evil, but his victims sure did. Most people will rework events in their mind so that what they do isn't evil to them. Dehumanize an enemy, and you have no problem doing horrible, unspeakable things to him...because it serves a greater good, or because they have transgressed against your creed or code. The difference between a holy crusade and the motivation of a serial killer can be uncomfortably close. As for professional killers...many of them, I'd wager, work on a grander scheme of the shoplifter, mentally. "Everybody dies. Better them than me. Someone's gonna do it. I mostly kill other criminals, anyway. I'm just looking out for me and mine....etc."

That said, I do believe there are intentionally evil folks. Some are just plain amoral, and others just need to be put down like a dog. I'm not terribly charitable when it comes to those who harm children, for example, whether they're insane or not. But that's just me.