Genasi and weapon proficiency
- Thread starter kreynolds
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Maitre Du Donjon
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kreynolds said:
Well i'm not the one that thinks that the ECL's are inaccurate, and I was interested in why you thought they were (There's a fire genasi sorceror in one of the games I dm, and i tend to agree that he's a little behind in power... especially since he's a sorceror too...).
If I did start a thread, it would probably be go something like this:
"Title: FRCS Plane-touched ECL's
I think they are just fine. What about you, kreynolds?"
Maitre D
thundershot
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Strange.... because this would all mean that a Tiefling Commoner is FAR superior than a Human Commoner. Maybe the +1 ECL is in place because of that... I dunno.
Though I do often wonder (especially now at 9th level) if my wife's Aasimar Paladin really needs the level adjustment anymore. She's not displaying any special abilities that the others can't replicate anymore...
Maybe characters should have a certain amount of XP that must be made up for before they lose their ECL.
Say for example, a LA +1 chracter (ECL 2) has 3000 xp to start. Over the course of time, they can allocate their earned XP toward that 3000 in order to "pay off" their ECL. They'll end up advancing slower at first, but they'll have a measure of control over it, so when they're higher in level, that 3000 xp that they started with is easier to pay off. Once paid off, they can drop the +1 LA...
Hm...
Chris
Though I do often wonder (especially now at 9th level) if my wife's Aasimar Paladin really needs the level adjustment anymore. She's not displaying any special abilities that the others can't replicate anymore...
Maybe characters should have a certain amount of XP that must be made up for before they lose their ECL.
Say for example, a LA +1 chracter (ECL 2) has 3000 xp to start. Over the course of time, they can allocate their earned XP toward that 3000 in order to "pay off" their ECL. They'll end up advancing slower at first, but they'll have a measure of control over it, so when they're higher in level, that 3000 xp that they started with is easier to pay off. Once paid off, they can drop the +1 LA...
Hm...
Chris
Maitre Du Donjon
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Interesting idea / love your sig / sorry about Bert
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kreynolds
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thundershot said:
That's an unfair comparison, as a 1st level commoner isn't equal to a 1st-level NPC fighter, and a 1st-level NPC fighter isn't even equal to a 1st-level PC fighter, so, naturally, a 1st-level commoner won't be equal to most first level PCs or exceptional NPCs.
Chun-tzu
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With some of the feats from Races of Faerun, it's probably worth the +1 ECL for Genasi and the others. Elemental Bloodline, for example, looks like a must-have feat for any warriors to me (gain innate fortification and a bonus to saves against poison, sleep, paralysis, and stunning). If Genasi were ECL 0, I'd boost the prereqs for this feat to make it a high-level feat.
kreynolds
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Chun-tzu said:
You don't assign ECL values based upon what a race will or might get later on, unless their race itself grants you more powers as you gain hit die, like the celestial or fiendish templates. But you aren't charged for those abilities until you get them. You assign ECL values based upon what they have now. The fact that the Bloodline of Fire feat even exhists in its current incarnation is further proof that some designer took a look at a mid-level fire genasi and thought, "You know, this guy really sucks".
Besides, it is very important to note that the Bloodline of Fire feat is not exclusive to the fire genasi. It is a regional feat that anyone from Calimshan can take at 1st level.
Chun-tzu
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kreynolds said:The fact that the Bloodline of Fire feat even exhists in its current incarnation is further proof that some designer took a look at a mid-level fire genasi and thought, "You know, this guy really sucks".
Besides, it is very important to note that the Bloodline of Fire feat is not exclusive to the fire genasi. It is a regional feat that anyone from Calimshan can take at 1st level.
Agreed, but the nice thing about Races of Faerun (not FRCS) is that it allows native outsiders to gain more powerful outsider abilities (at the cost of feats, but they're more powerful than normal feats). Like:
Elemental Bloodline
Prereqs: base Fort save +4, genasi
Benefit: You gain +4 save vs poison, sleep, paralysis, or stunning. You also have a 25% chance to turn a critical hit or a sneak attack into a normal hit (as if wearing light fortification armor).
There are several other powerful, outsider-only feats in there. My point is, with feats like that in your campaign, +1 ECL is not bad at all.
kreynolds
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Chun-tzu said:
Crap. I was going from memory and got the name of the feat mixed up. My bad. Doh!
Chun-tzu said:
And my point is that the reason these powerful feats are available is because they get screwed right off the bat with an unjusifiably high ECL modifier. So, for your first 3 levels, you're lagging behind in power, and for no other reason that because a really cool feat is available to you later on, and the only reason that feat is available is because you are lagging behind in power. See what I mean? The mere existence of that feat only proves that the genasi are lagging behind at any given level because of their high ECL mod.
If I wanted to justify a +1 ECL mod for the genasi, I would just give them that feat right off the bat.
