I'm finding it depressing that a lot of my arcane gish arguments are just being completely brushed aside as I'm tainted by the same brush as the people who just want some powergaming uberclass which has no downside.
Fair observation, but don't be discouragedAin't that the truth.
It seems to me that a vocal minority are doing that, but most people in this thread seem to be interested, engaged and supportive of the idea of finding/creating a balanced, fun, flavourful & "identitied" (oh yes, I'm sure that's a real word, thanks for asking ) gish class.
Hopefully anyone concerned about game balance will come around when they see our genuine efforts to find something balanced and will actually help us achieve that.
I think it should be about on-par with Paladin (currently the closest class to what I'm looking for) but even then I think if it was people would call it OP because the 5e Paladin is just incredibly competent.
Hehe, I agree that the Ranger<->Paladin spectrum probably does span most of the power curve for 5e, so somewhere in that range is desirable, although it probably doesn't narrow it down terribly much. Given that paladin is played a lot and people like it a lot, I'd prefer something closer to that end than the Ranger end where people just don't seem to play or enjoy it much.Any point between paladin and ranger is basically ideal for me. Which is a nice spread, as paladin is one of the most powerful classes (seriously our lvl 12 paladin almost one shotted Vanifer from full health last session), while player handbook ranger is often considered one of the weakest.
I definitely think that an arcane swordmage should not come close to the nova potential of a paladin. Pumping out massive damage numbers constantly has never been that classes focus.
Hmmm .... burst dmg is a great point, I don't think it's been covered much in the thread so far..... thinking about the gish's roots, the fighter has solid nova ability in action surge, and the wizard has high burst potential in using high level spell slots on more damaging spells than a cleric .... and even thinking back on it's past heritage, swordmages had encounter & daily powers, elven fighter/mage had it's highest level spell slots, duskblade the same .... sooooo .... is there some reason other than overall balance that an arcane warrior should have low nova ability ? Would people be willing to sacrifice some sustained DPR in order to have a higher nova ? Or do people think consistent sustained DPR is more in keeping with the theme ?