Help me beat my DM :)

Zappo · Dec 21, 2002

What about buying a cartload of crossbow bolts, GMWing all of them with a couple of wands, and using Telekinesis to fling them at the dragon? Even if only 1 in 20 hits, they should do thousands of damage.

MerakSpielman · Dec 22, 2002

Zappo said:
What about buying a cartload of crossbow bolts, GMWing all of them with a couple of wands, and using Telekinesis to fling them at the dragon? Even if only 1 in 20 hits, they should do thousands of damage.

Don't forget the dragon's damage reduction.

Jeremy · Dec 22, 2002

FYI, GMW=Greater Magic Weapon because of the damage reduction. Greater Magic Weapon grants 50 pieces of ammunition an enhancement bonus per casting.

Jeremy · Dec 22, 2002

It's just that on general princeple, when facing a single 18th level character, a dragon should almost always win.

Almost always. But the dragon is mortal and at 16th level and above, the level of protection your life has is hazy. Bad luck, strong strategy, or slow reflexes can result in an inferior foe causing your downfall because at this level and higher, differences in level begin to mean less.

There are ways that anything can be accomplished. I can't think of a way to kill a fully suped-up monster manual dragon with a fully-suped up PHB/DMG only PC, but that doesn't mean they aren't out there. And there are most certainly ways if you give the PC a wider array of options.

Regardless of how "well" a dragon is played, it is still mortal, only has so many hit points and/or its saves are only so good. If sufficient offense is capable of being brought to bear against it, it can fall. Even to an inferior foe, even to lesser numbers.

Most PC's in D&D are capable of dishing out much more damage then they can take. Why? Because they have to be able to beat 3 and 4 hundred hitpoint creatures. But make the PC's take the hits they're giving out and they drop like flies.

But in any case, if a mid level character can deal out a lot more damage than he can take, a high level character can deal out even more. Sure, he can't take the same, and sure it's not the end-all-be-all of damage, but it could be sufficient to take out a more powerful dragon.

Despaxas · Dec 22, 2002

Ofcourse this combat is a bit skewed since I have been given over 2 weeks to come up with a character that is specifically built to demolish a dragon, normal pcs can't afford to focus so completely on 1 thing to the detriment of their other capabilities.

That said, the only strategy I can come up with is far from airtight. Hope I win initiative, and hope he doesn't hit me while my Solars tear it to bits.

Zappo · Dec 22, 2002

Jeremy said:
FYI, GMW=Greater Magic Weapon because of the damage reduction. Greater Magic Weapon grants 50 pieces of ammunition an enhancement bonus per casting.

...and you can buy wands with a 15th caser level, so that it gives a +5 bonus. Which will defeat even stone skin, though now that I think about it a stone skin won't be much use against a few thousands points of damage.

Creamsteak · Dec 22, 2002

The old Telekinesis Arrow Mass Attack...

Will it be allowed?

Berk · Dec 22, 2002

What about buying a cartload of crossbow bolts, GMWing all of them with a couple of wands, and using Telekinesis to fling them at the dragon? Even if only 1 in 20 hits, they should do thousands of damage.

Talk about cheap, cheating, powergaming, munchkinism at its finest. =o)