D&D (2024) Here's The New 2024 Player's Handbook Wizard Art

 

[Maggan]

I value inclusivity. There needs to be ways that make narrative sense.

Nah, I'd just say "the mage has glasses" and that's it. Or "she has a wooden leg". Not everything has to be explained to the players. Or the GM for that matter.

 

[Yaarel]

Disability justice is about recognizing that having a disability doesn't make your experience with life worse, just different.

I read the above sentence to mean "harm is good". Blindness is good. Being blind is just as good as having sight.

Both my friends want sight. They disagree blindness is just as good.

They are heroic, competent, and so on. Because they deal with the harm of blindness.

 

[Vaalingrade]

The line of thinking that magic makes it so people have no excuse for non-conformity gets real special and super anti-inclusive when you realize how alter self is an actually easy to attain spell.

If a spell that in no way alters eyesight aside from the blindness condition is no excuse to have glasses, what do people have 'no excuse' for when one can easily alter height, weight, eye, hair and skin color, bone structure, etc. Why is everyone not literally the same perfect person as everyone else? It doesn't make narrative sense, guys!

To be clear this is a terrible argument and I'd like people to stop making it because it's... very not okay.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Some people can’t do calculus. Shall we exclude people who can’t do calculus? Seems like a flaw to me.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

@Umbran

A difficulty is, D&D includes fantasy cultures. Even ones where magic or other technology can remedy blindness or have utopian economies, or so on.

In such a culture, blindness implies a choice to be blind, which requires narrative explanation. Or perhaps it is a powerful magic, and community lacking high enough levels to counter it. Or it is a recent injury, or so on.

I value inclusivity. There needs to be ways that make narrative sense.

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[Cadence]

Some people can’t do calculus. Shall we exclude people who can’t do calculus? Seems like a flaw to me.

As an aside, I am literally checking in here to dodge writing an e-mail to a student about why lack of calculus-doing will exclude them from something they would like to do...

 

[Umbran]

A difficulty is, D&D includes fantasy cultures. Even ones where magic or other technology can remedy blindness or have utopian economies, or so on.

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We honestly do not care if the failure to erase these issues offends your sense of what settings should be - the major settings ARE NOT utopias, and never have been.

The game serves the needs of REAL WORLD people. Real world people have infirmities, and face a whole lot of discrimination because of it. If you are not up for considering their sensibilities, you are not up for this discussion. You can either come into line on that, or you can be removed from the discussion.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Nah, I'd just say "the mage has glasses" and that's it. Or "she has a wooden leg". Not everything has to be explained to the players. Or the GM for that matter.

Yeah. Vecna has lost an eye and a hand... And no one dared to tell him he should just cast regeneration on himself.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Some people can’t do calculus. Shall we exclude people who can’t do calculus? Seems like a flaw to me.

Hmmh. Seems like a good idea for some jobs.

 

[Maggan]

As for the image.

Not my cup of tea, but even so it looks to me like a very competently drawn high level wizard. Power to aspire to, not a first level or even fifth level mage, more lika an arch-mage. I assume it won't be placed without context either in the rules, so what it is supposed to illustrate will be exceedingly clear, I imagine.

Cool image but I'm on an Erol Otus bend at the moment, so I'm more excited about that kind of images.