Heroes Season 1(#10)---11/27/06-'Six Months Ago'

[Taelorn76]

The real problem arises if the rule is, "Hiro cannot use time travel to change his own subjective past." Because he's seen the mushroom cloud, that would mean he could not stop it from happening. He might be able to save the world, as he hasn't seen that yet. But he wouldn't be able to save NYC....

But he saw the cloud in the future. So he really wouldn't be changing his past, but his future

 

[Hand of Evil]

Man, as I said in the last threads, thinking too much about this is giving me a headache!

Jassica power could have been astro projection; leaving her body, body dies and she is floating out there in never-neverland, she slides into Nikki only to find out she has powers too, hulk strenght, oh my! It would be interesting to see where Jessica goes when she is not in control.

Also, let's say Hiro is able to change the past with the cheerleader does that mean that another cheerleader had to die to prevent a paradox? Was the cheerleader saved?

A note in humor I made in prior thread, but as they discussed souls, have to wonder about; are the souls of the victims that Sylar has kill residing within him?

The other question I wonder if they will touch on next week, will Peter show signs of Sylar's power next week as he came into contact with each other!

 

[Umbran]

But he saw the cloud in the future. So he really wouldn't be changing his past, but his future

English does not have the proper tenses to deal with time travel.

What counts as "the past" or "the future" to a man who can travel in time?

The explosion happens in Ando's future, yes. But how is it in Hiro's future, when he's already seen it happen? Yes, he may see it again if he just goes to NYC and sits in place for a few weeks, but subjectively, he's already experienced it. If he tells the story of his personal history, it already includes the explosion.

Thus, I say it is in his subjective past, as well as in the future of the people he most normally deals with....

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Which one are you not agreeing with?

That all he is doing is removing memories. He can do that, but I think his mental powers are a bit more than that.

 

[hafrogman]

English does not have the proper tenses to deal with time travel.

Ah you mean trying to conjugate the past participle of the never were tense?

 

[dravot]

That all he is doing is removing memories. He can do that, but I think his mental powers are a bit more than that.

Agreed. I think that he has dual abilities: power suppression and memory erasing. There may be some mumbo-jumbery explanation about how they're linked, but who cares?

 

[wingsandsword]

Hiro has powers of time/space manipulation that let him teleport, stop time briefly, teleport, and travel through time. He has a lot of powers under one motif. Could The Haitian somehow have both power blocking and memory-wiping ability under one similar concept, like telepathy (like maybe a far more practiced and advanced version of Matt's mind reading?)

 

[Hand of Evil]

I think the HG is a combo power, when they took the cop, Bennett says you are trying to use your powers now. It just gave you the impression suppression was being used.

Now for this post wild and crazy thought, if Nikki/Jessica are taken by Sylar, would Nikki still be able to manifest? Sylar is sick but Nikki is down right mean, it could be a weird love!

 

[DonTadow]

Hiro has powers of time/space manipulation that let him teleport, stop time briefly, teleport, and travel through time. He has a lot of powers under one motif. Could The Haitian somehow have both power blocking and memory-wiping ability under one similar concept, like telepathy (like maybe a far more practiced and advanced version of Matt's mind reading?)

Ah. I can see where this would make sense. HG's power is that he can delete portions of the brain. Because the powers are located or unlocked in the brain, he just deletes that portion.

 

[Umbran]

Ah you mean trying to conjugate the past participle of the never were tense?

Well, Douglas Adams approached the concept, but let's consider...

If we are both in the same timeline, and we both experienced the same event, normal grammar works just fine.

But, what happens when, for example, the event is in my past, but your future: "I did/will kick the ball."

Or it is in your past, but from my point of view I have not done it yet: "I will/did kick the ball."

Or, it is my present, but your past: "I am/was kicking the ball"?

And so on. And that's only talking about things that happen in the normal universe. If the action of time travel takes some subjective time - I step out of the universe, eat my lunch, and then step back, it gets far, far worse, as it occurs in my timeline, but not at all in yours.

And then, what happens to poor Hiro, five weeks from now, when he experiences somethign for the second time? It is in both his past and his present! How the heck does he refer to both of himself looking at the cloud?