Holiday Present - The Elf PHB entry

ainatan said:
I think their are fine.

Removed picture of Victoria's Secret models that we don't really need on the site. ~ Piratecat

Anorexia Nervosa: Once per encounter you dazzle 1d10 opponents for 1d4 rounds because you are so DAMN HOT!!!!

Yeah, ribs sticking out so you look like a corpse, and maintaining body weight by cocaine and amphetamines (just like real models do). Real sexy. It's even sexier when they have spontaneous nosebleeds and wild mood swings.

I never cease to be amazed at at how the West has allowed its standard of female beauty to be dictated by fashion-industry men who don't even like to have sex with women.

Decadence, they name is Western culture.
 
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Clavis said:
I hate the new elves.

I hate their short life spans. I hate the suggestion that elves now make "good clerics". I hate how they've lost their resistances to charms and paralysis. I hate how, given the new height and weight, every Elf would look like a Holocaust survivor.

These are actually the things I like the most. The life span thing was always weird from a PC perspective. Trying to explain why every single elf character apparently wasted the first 100 years of their development and ended up as the equivalent of a 17 year old human at age 120.

The taller elves are a nice nod to Tolkien and I like how they're now very focused on the woodsy forest elf concept.

The charm and paralysis resistance never made much sense to me (it was just one of those things that always was) and it seems more the realm of the Magic Flavored Eladrin than the Pine Cone Flavored Elves.

Maybe their bones are lighter than humans to make for stealthy woodland romping? Hollow bird bones?

The cleric thing does mystify me a bit, but I'm not able to access Gleemax right now so maybe I'm missing something.
 

Clavis said:
Yeah, ribs sticking out so you look like a corpse...

OK...this whole thing is an odd tangent. You do know that nothing good can come of this, right? It would suck to have a thread with some good, solid rules info derailred and locked because of some werid fashion industry rant.

Elves don't do runway.
 

Clavis said:
Yeah, ribs sticking out so you look like a corpse, and maintaining body weight by cocaine and amphetamines (just like real models do). Real sexy. It's even sexier when they have spontaneous nosebleeds and wild mood swings.

I never cease to be amazed at at how the West has allowed its standard of female beauty to be dictated by fashion-industry men who don't even like to have sex with women.

Decadence, they name is Western culture.
Thanks for the +1 aura bonus to my Will Defense, but I missed by 27. ;)

But the point of my post was not to show hot chicks, but so everyone could visualize how elves in 4E look like. It's not so bad.
 


Kwalish Kid said:
If there are DMs that can't arbitrarily change the lifespan of an elf to suit their campaigns, I weep for their players.

I agree. However, why the change at all? Of course, I have the same question about so many of the flavour/fluff changes for 4E that the real question for me has become "Why change at all" and the answer is "Don't."
 

ainatan said:
I think they are fine.

Removed picture of Victoria's Secret models that we don't really need on the site. ~ Piratecat

Anorexia Nervosa: Once per encounter you dazzle 1d10 opponents for 1d4 rounds because you are so DAMN HOT!!!!

Well, again 6 ft tall at 130 pounds is going to be the elven average.

So consequently the Kate Moss and Keira Knightly of Elfland is going to weight in at no more than 60 to 70 pound.
 
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ainatan said:
I think they are fine.

Anorexia Nervosa: Once per encounter you dazzle 1d10 opponents for 1d4 rounds because you are so DAMN HOT!!!!

Eh. I don't think I've ever seen a super-skinny model whose looks could not have been improved by a few burgers and some weight training. The elven ladies are pretty, but dwarven women are where it's at in 4E.
 

For what it's worth, I like the shorter elf lifespan. I like the idea of a long-lived race that the PCs can look up to discover the truth about past events, but I don't think they should be as common or as easy to find as the elves are implied to be in most D&D settings.

The new mechanics do present a tighter focus for the elf. The wild step ability emphasizes his speed, and the elven accuracy ability emphasizes, well, elven accuracy. What I find quite interesting is that most of the new powers tend to be "active" in that the player decides when to use them: when shifting into difficult terrain, for example, or when re-rolling an attack that the player thinks is going to miss.

On the other hand, the abilities that have disappeared - immunity to sleep, saving throw bonus against enchantment effects, and ability to detect secret doors - are mostly "passive" abilities in that the player doesn't actively decide to use them (beyond reminding the DM that he has them). In most cases, the burden is on the DM to remember to give the PC the benefit of the abilities when they become applicable. In a way, I think this represents a shifting of the responsibility of remembering what the PC can do from the DM to the player. It might not make the game less complicated for the player, but it certainly would make the DM's life easier.

As for the group awareness ability, I'm guessing that it was thrown in there to help foster group cohesiveness because every once in a while, one player will be thankful that another player has an elf PC. I wouldn't be surprised if we see more similar "selfless" abilities cropping up in future. As for slowing down game play, perhaps the best thing to do would be to just make a normal Perception roll first. Whether the PC is within 5 squares of an elf ally is only going to matter 5% of the time.
 

Clavis said:
I never cease to be amazed at at how the West has allowed its standard of female beauty to be dictated by fashion-industry men who don't even like to have sex with women.

Weight has little to do with standards of beauty across time and cultures, actually. The more important factor is chest-waist-hip ratio. Did you know that Kate Moss and Marylin Monroe shared the same ratio, and that aboriginal tribesmen will pick the same ratio as Westerners?

/tangent
 

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