D&D General How do players feel about DM fudging?

[billd91]

But of course, with ppl now commissioning character art, buying character-specific sets of dice, and even cosplaying their character, there's a considerable cost sunken into it. I think some of that stuff borders on the obsessive...

Now? People were doing that back in the 1980s too.

 

[Lanefan]

The section literally says, "This section gives recommendations for table rules you can establish to help meet that goal." They are recommending fudging as a table rule. That's an endorsement!

You keep referring to this awful advice in the 5e DMG like it's something we should actually listen to.

Well, sorry: just because something's written in the DMG doesn't make it right. Designers, writers, editors - they're all quite capable of mistakes; and have made one here.

 

[Vaalingrade]

You're assuming, it seems, that DM fudging is always in the players' favour.

Nope. There's no assumption at all because people are just blanket hating on all fudging for whatever reason.

 

[Vaalingrade]

How about real poll choices, like "Fudging can be used in positive and negative ways".

I figure that's fudging is a thing'

 

[Grendel_Khan]

Nope. There's no assumption at all because people are just blanket hating on all fudging for whatever reason.

Ah yes, "for whatever reason." Never mind all the reasons laid out. Just, you know, whatever.

 

[Lanefan]

You were the one talking about having a run of bad luck “ruining someone’s evening”. Two of my players have abysmal luck with dice. It doesn’t ruin their evening: sometimes they laugh it off, poor dice doesn’t prevent them from contributing in a “role-playing game”, and when their luck changes, the entire table cheers them.

Reminds me of a quote about a player from a long-ago game I was in:

"Dave's dice are like a parasite. They kill their host."

 

[Vaalingrade]

Ah yes, "for whatever reason." Never mind all the reasons laid out. Just, you know, whatever.

Whatever the reason for the fudging, dude.

 

[AntiStateQuixote]

I hate fudging with a white hot passion. There is no DM screen behind which to roll dice. If I'm rolling dice, then the dice matter. If the game needs a particular outcome, then I'm not rolling dice. I strongly prefer that DMs I'm playing with do the same.

 

[Grendel_Khan]

Whatever the reason for the fudging, dude.

Jeez, dude. You got a real way about you, dude. Good luck continuing to treat every thread like a bloodsport.

 

[Lanefan]

Vive la différence.​

This is, ultimately, part of the point of the Colville video that sparked all of these fudging threads. People play differently - some laugh off bad luck as you say, some don't want to play that way. Surely, the latter aren't playing incorrectly, are they?

IMO there's certainly something amiss if those same players who won't accept a run of bad luck will gleefully accept a run of good luck. It does not reflect well on them.