How does pulling old edition pdfs benefit WotC?

I suspect the truth is that pulling old edition PDFs is essentially meaningless to WOTC. I think the amount of profit they were generating from such PDFs was so incredibly minuscule as to represent a rounding error. And so when they gave the order to cease distributing PDFs, I think they included all PDFs instead of just 4e as merely an act of convenience and organization and ease of monitoring PDF sales (easier to monitor and account for nothing than to monitor and account for everything to make sure it's just prior editions being sold). I suspect they really don't care about non-4e PDFs one way or the other.
 

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I suspect the truth is that pulling old edition PDFs is essentially meaningless to WOTC. I think the amount of profit they were generating from such PDFs was so incredibly minuscule as to represent a rounding error. And so when they gave the order to cease distributing PDFs, I think they included all PDFs instead of just 4e as merely an act of convenience and organization and ease of monitoring PDF sales (easier to monitor and account for nothing than to monitor and account for everything to make sure it's just prior editions being sold). I suspect they really don't care about non-4e PDFs one way or the other.

Like he said - iirc, the pdfing of older products was stopped because it wasn't cost effective? Since it cant really cost that much to OCR a book (plus bookmarking, etc), the conclusion one can draw is pretty obvious...
 


The lack of any coherent PR response also looks like a sign that WotC doesn't particularly care about the older-edition pdf market.
 

Like he said - iirc, the pdfing of older products was stopped because it wasn't cost effective? Since it cant really cost that much to OCR a book (plus bookmarking, etc), the conclusion one can draw is pretty obvious...

All business transactions involve a share of general overhead for the business. For every sale, there are employees behind the scenes who are involved with the sale. There are people in accounting who are managing the books on the sale, including those products in reports, reconciling the books, preparing presentation data for someone else to present on the status of that portion of sales, and then preparing a second set of abrivieted reports for the parent company. There are people tracking sales, making sure that the sales are of approved products and in an approved manner. There are people in sales and marketing who promote those products (however minimally they are promoted, they still get included in a whole host of things like release lists and tracking of current products and such, in multiple locations). There are people in tech support who manage the products. There are people in customer service who manage service issues regarding those products. And each of those people have an office, and office supplies, and benefits, and salary, and training, and information exchange, and human resources issues, and upkeep related to them, etc..

The sale of one PDF to one person requires almost as much overhead cost as the sale of a hundred thousand of those PDFs. While overhead does go up as sales increase, the "floor" minimum in overhead is there no matter how many are sold if you are selling it at all, and the floor is actually relatively high. You still need people doing most of those things if the product is offered for sale, even if it ends up not selling well.

Which is why I am saying that the profits from these sales (not the revenue, the profits, by which I mean the gain after accounting for the cost including overhead) was probably so small as to make it a rounding error, and getting rid of the non-4e PDFs just made sense from a complexity perspective.
 


All business transactions involve a share of general overhead for the business. For every sale, there are employees behind the scenes who are involved with the sale. There are people in accounting who are managing the books on the sale, including those products in reports, reconciling the books, preparing presentation data for someone else to present on the status of that portion of sales, and then preparing a second set of abrivieted reports for the parent company. There are people tracking sales, making sure that the sales are of approved products and in an approved manner. There are people in sales and marketing who promote those products (however minimally they are promoted, they still get included in a whole host of things like release lists and tracking of current products and such, in multiple locations). There are people in tech support who manage the products. There are people in customer service who manage service issues regarding those products. And each of those people have an office, and office supplies, and benefits, and salary, and training, and information exchange, and human resources issues, and upkeep related to them, etc..

The sale of one PDF to one person requires almost as much overhead cost as the sale of a hundred thousand of those PDFs. While overhead does go up as sales increase, the "floor" minimum in overhead is there no matter how many are sold if you are selling it at all, and the floor is actually relatively high. You still need people doing most of those things if the product is offered for sale, even if it ends up not selling well.

Which is why I am saying that the profits from these sales (not the revenue, the profits, by which I mean the gain after accounting for the cost including overhead) was probably so small as to make it a rounding error, and getting rid of the non-4e PDFs just made sense from a complexity perspective.

A lot of those costs are actually borne by the distributors. Paizo and OBE handled the tech support and the customer service end of things.

Promotion and marketing is a cost that is easy to drop. I'm not sure if it was WotC or OBE that put out the adds for the pdfs when the 4e ones first were available, but adds are an easy thing to not purchase.

I would find it a little incredible to think the costs of counting their incoming checks would be a significant added cost to them (I expect they already have accountants and such so these costs are marginally adding onto existing internal workloads instead of requiring from scratch overhead personnell), though I can easily see WotC feeling that the revenue from pdfs is small on their scale of things and therefore unimportant to them and easily sacrificed.
 


A lot of those costs are actually borne by the distributors. Paizo and OBE handled the tech support and the customer service end of things.

Not all of it. As long as WOTC's name is on a product, people will call them with issues. And even if the response is "Ask Paizo or OBE", it still takes time, it still takes training, it still takes resources, and other overhead. Not as much as it does for a product your company is entirely servicing, but the number for those services is not zero.

Promotion and marketing is a cost that is easy to drop.

It's impossible to drop actually. The company structure is set up to report on all products that are represented in your sales. That means someone internally needs to create a list of all products, and tie them to the accounting numbers for those products. It's not as much marketing and promotion as a new product, but again there is overhead in marketing and promotion of all products for which you collect any revenue.

I'm not sure if it was WotC or OBE that put out the adds for the pdfs when the 4e ones first were available, but adds are an easy thing to not purchase.

I am not talking about advertising. I am talking about how internally the marketing department is responsible for tracking what products the company is selling (in any fashion) and listing those products in various places and dealing with any promotions related to those items. If you want for example a company-wide promotion for all products, you need to know what products that actually covers, and marketing deals with those issues typically.

I would find it a little incredible to think the costs of counting their incoming checks would be a significant added cost to them (I expect they already have accountants and such so these costs are marginally adding onto existing internal workloads instead of requiring from scratch overhead personnell), though I can easily see WotC feeling that the revenue from pdfs is small on their scale of things and therefore unimportant to them and easily sacrificed.

Yes, the employees are already there. For ALL products the employees are already there in accounting, marketing, and many other areas. That's why it is called overhead, and it is also why when two companies merge or one acquires the other, most of the "redundancies" are in those departments. There are some people and costs that cover issues for everything the company does, and if the company does less then cuts can be made in those people and costs over time.

Each product your company offers takes a portion of all overhead, right down to the electricity used by the company and the janitorial service. There are fairly standard formulas for calculating the cost of overhead. For example at my company, if a supplier sells us an item for $1.00, we calculate that the end cost to us will be around $3.00 after factoring in the overhead related to that product. So when we sell that product for $4.00, it might seem like that is some big rip-off given it cost us $1.00 originally. But realistically, we are only making a 33% profit on the item, which is not outrageous.

Anyway, it's not just counting incoming checks. There is a lot of tracking of all sorts of data that goes on behind the scenes, and it relates to all products. If you cut a product entirely, you save some of the overhead related to that product. If you cut a vendor or distributor, you save some money as well.

Which is why I say cutting the entire PDF line was probably more cost effective than trying to cut just the 4e PDF line while keeping open the non-4e PDF product lines. You'd effectively be spending almost the same amount of overhead on PDFs (it would be less, but not a lot less), all to support the least revenue-generating portion of the PDF sales (the non-4e portion).
 
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I'm sure drowning Red Pandas in the Delaware River the other day was a bit more unethical.

Indeed. There are levels of ethics, and drowning red pandas in the Delaware is certainly more unethical than promoting pirating of intellectual property. But, that doesn't make the promoting of pirating ethically neutral or good. It's still a bad thing, and good people should condemn bad things :confused:
 

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