I got kicked out of my group!

Roadkill101 said:
Both ended up in my group (I was DM). Both played female characters. Near the end of the shool year, the party got captured by a group of orcs. Once the party was dragged back to the orc lair, general torture and rapantine ensued, as orcs are just that way (as strongly hinted at by the MM and literature).

He didn't like my response about playing them as nasty as their implied portrayal from published sources,

"Just playing the character" excuse for something unexcusable is the RPG equivalent of soldiers saying "Just following orders" when accused of bad things. It just doesn't fly, in either case.

You should just realize you did wrong and move on.

(There are actually pretty good reasons why rape shouldn't occur even in fantasy lands.)
 

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I introduced a rape scene in a previous campaign, in which two of the three players were women in their 20's (I was in my 20s at the time as well). It was in a manor house haunted by "imprints" of past horrors. It was my intention to graphically present the horrors in the house, so that later when the PCs met up with one of the family members who created the imprints (the child, who grew up to become the Big Bad) they'd have an emotional reaction to him.

So one of the "imprints" that I placed in the house was the rape of the child's mother (which the child walks in on.)

The entire scenario actually created an interesting bit of role-playing. When the party got to the door into that area, I casually asked them what order they would be entering the room. Then I handed a folded note (describing the scene) to the PC to open the door, as well as the PC immediately behind him. The third PC was a child herself, a guttersnipe rogue/psion. Immediately upon reading my note (which was not graphic, but did explain what was happening in no uncertain terms,) the two adult PCs ushered the girl away from the door and quickly closed it before she could see inside the room.

The player of the child-PC did not get to learn what was in that room for the entire evening, and did a great job roleplaying the curiosity of a child denied some bit of knowledge, even as the other two did everything in their power to dodge the questions, knowing she was not ready for the truth.

So I won't say there is no place for rape in fantasy gaming at all. Personally, I would never subject a player's character to it, male or female, as I tend to have strong bonds to my own characters, and such a thing would disturb me greatly. Therefore I won't do it to my own players.

But that doesn't make it wrong, just wrong for me.

Regarding the original topic, I've never been kicked out of a gaming group so far. I did almost cause the dissolution of one, though. I was playing in a Shadowrun game where our group of 'runners was presented with a choice of either defending a village from raiders for pay, or joining the raiders for even more pay. My 'runner was for defending the village, while another team member wanted the bigger payday.

We argued about it, and it got heated (and I don't mean between the characters). Eventually, the other player said that his character got into his car and drove off in a huff. So the remaining team members go into the village and work up some defenses, and we end it right before the raid.

Next session, the player of my adversary shows up again. The raid starts, and during the raid his character shows up in the village. Now I'm still pissed about the way the argument went the session before, so I give him the third degree. After all, I reason, ostensibly in-character, he wanted to join the raiders, and I only met him two days ago. He could very well have gone and joined the raiders and be now trying to sabotage the defenses for that bigger paycheck he was drooling over.

So we get into it again, and this time it winds up with the characters attacking each other, including my secondary character and I believe one or two of the other teammates.

Oi. I won't say I should have been kicked from the group, but a time-out might have been in order.
 

I was axed once in junior high. Myself and another from my normal gaming group was invited to play with the towns "rival" gaming group. They had just made the jump to 2nd ed AD&D (we had played a while), and wanted our experience. Anyway, one day the GM called me and said they had decided to kick me out because they felt I hogged the focus too much. Maybe they were right, I had a tendency to be the spokesperson in any situation, so I do understand their point. Still, I would've hoped they had talked to me about it, told me to tone it down. I guess we weren't as mature back then. Anyway, I was quite juvenile as well, as I persuaded the other player from my group to quit... really stupid, I know. I'm still really close with a couple of the players from that group though, so no everlasting harm done.

I've booted a grand total of 3 players myself.. I think.. no wait.. 4..

Player 1 was axed when he for the second time in a few weeks put snow in someone elses shoes while leaving the game (he left earlier due to bus connections). This player was attempting to put snow in Player 2's shoes (see below), but always managed to put it in the wrong shoe.. so eventually we fired him. He got back in when Player 2 was out of the group.

Player 2 was ejected for simply being a jerk to the other members, calling them names and simply being obnoxious... this was all during junior high, so the axing frequency could be quite high..

Player 3 was also obnoxious and repulsive to all players, and eventually an entire campaign broke down because of him.. I restarted a new campaign a few months later without him in it.

Player 4 was a new guy that wanted to try RPGs because he loved Diablo.. he quickly discovered it wasn't like that, and more often than not fell asleep on the couch.. I just never invited him back, and he never called me to ask for the next session so I guess it was a mutual thing.
 

Dr. Awkward said:
He didn't role-play it. He said "they rape and kill you." He could have added, "and then they eat you," and it would still have been in line with what you can expect from orcs. It may have been a lapse in judgement, but it's still only a lapse. I don't think I'd alert the neighbourhood watch over something like this.

Well, the teacher didn't - but the girls did, and it snowballed from there. At this point, he had to say something, or else his job would have been on the line.

Sure, it might not have been "fair" to the GM, but I can totally understand his reaction. The teacher didn't really have much of a choice at this point...
 

Dr. Awkward said:
He didn't role-play it. He said "they rape and kill you." He could have added, "and then they eat you," and it would still have been in line with what you can expect from orcs. It may have been a lapse in judgement, but it's still only a lapse. I don't think I'd alert the neighbourhood watch over something like this.
If he was describing it as a lapse in judgement, this thread threatening side track wouldn't be occuring. He described it as a propper and reasonable thing that some out of touch teacher for some weird reason got on his back about. So, not just a lapse.
 

Kahuna Burger said:
If he was describing it as a lapse in judgement, this thread threatening side track wouldn't be occuring. He described it as a propper and reasonable thing that some out of touch teacher for some weird reason got on his back about. So, not just a lapse.

That's not how I read it. I read it as a kid following the description in the book, offhandedly adding some potentially controversial items from that book to his game which offended some new players, and this going to the teacher who, seeing his job suddenly become imperiled, reacted as you'd expect someone in his position would react. The poster felt the reaction was heavy-handed, but it probably would be heavy-handed if it weren't a school-based gaming club. The decision to run a game with 25 characters in order to avoid further problems with unmonitored young players is ridiculous, but perfectly understandable in context.

Besides, do people need to preface every dumb thing they did as a teenager with a disclaimer that the dumb thing was a lapse in judgement in order for that to be understood?
 

Dr. Awkward said:
Besides, do people need to preface every dumb thing they did as a teenager with a disclaimer that the dumb thing was a lapse in judgement in order for that to be understood?
No, they don't, but the tone of that post read (and tone is rough on the internet, so I could be misreading it) as if he were somehow the wronged party here. It's not unreasonable to expect that a high school student would know better than to bring rape into a game and be able to recognize how inappropriate it was at a later age. I'm not feeling that either of those are true here.

Nick
 

Kajamba Lion said:
No, they don't, but the tone of that post read (and tone is rough on the internet, so I could be misreading it) as if he were somehow the wronged party here. It's not unreasonable to expect that a high school student would know better than to bring rape into a game and be able to recognize how inappropriate it was at a later age. I'm not feeling that either of those are true here, but I could be wrong.

Nick
*nod* the entire post read as a story of almost getting in trouble because folks couldn't handle how mature and realistic he was being, as opposed to avoiding trouble in spite of being completely inappropriate and immature.
 

der_kluge said:
Anyway, does anyone else have a story to share about getting axed from their group?
Yes. But I don't know it. I strongly suspect that I was kicked out of one group I was in. But, as any polite group of gamers should do, the group packaged it to me as the campaign being cancelled. I suspect that they simply took a few weeks off and resumed playing without me. I really don't get why people would be so rude as to tell someone they don't want them around when options like this are available.

Anyway, sorry to hear this happened to you der_kluge; that really sucks.
 

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