D&D (2024) I just got a 2024 PHB From Gen Con. AMA!

[Chaosmancer]

Oh right, was thinking on that "doubling up of skill profs" issue, can someone confirm what the Halfling ability is now? In the playtest they got stealth proficiency.

I'm thinking that, if you follow the steps in character creation in order, you can't actually be forced into a double skill atm (elves get an option of three choices, and come after the background skill), which would limit the issue solely to tool proficiency. But Halflings might throw a wrench in that idea.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

Oh, speaking of halflings, does being small actually matter for anything anymore? Like do they still have the weapon limitations, for example?

 

[FitzTheRuke]

I really feel like the Carrying Capacity chart should have gone exponential. It's absolutely silly how little, say, an elephant, can lift. And I think that small should be half-weight, but that much of their gear should weigh half, and it should even out - which is probably why they left it as-is, but I think it is worth doing the math, for story-reasons.

 

[Oofta]

I really feel like the Carrying Capacity chart should have gone exponential. It's absolutely silly how little, say, an elephant, can lift. And I think that small should be half-weight, but that much of their gear should weigh half, and it should even out - which is probably why they left it as-is, but I think it is worth doing the math, for story-reasons.

You double carrying and lifting for large creatures. So a 22 strength elephant it's 22 x 15 x 2 for 660 pounds, double that for lifting. A quick google search shows that an elephant can lift between 600 and 700 pounds so it's amazingly close.

Spoiler: Carrying capacity

Carrying Capacity. Your carrying capacity is your Strength score multiplied by 15. This is the weight (in pounds) that you can carry, which is high enough that most characters don't usually have to worry about it.

Push, Drag, or Lift. You can push, drag, or lift a weight in pounds up to twice your carrying capacity (or 30 times your Strength score). While pushing or dragging weight in excess of your carrying capacity, your speed drops to 5 feet.

Size and Strength. Larger creatures can bear more weight, whereas Tiny creatures can carry less. For each size category above Medium, double the creature's carrying capacity and the amount it can push, drag, or lift. For a Tiny creature, halve these weights.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

You double carrying and lifting for large creatures. So a 22 strength elephant it's 22 x 15 x 2 for 660 pounds, double that for lifting. A quick google search shows that an elephant can lift between 600 and 700 pounds so it's amazingly close.

Huh. Maybe I'm thinking of the dragging weight? I once did the math for a draft horse in D&D and it was 1/5 of what they could actually do.

But it sounds like I might have to look deeper at it, thanks!

 

[Crimson Longinus]

You double carrying and lifting for large creatures. So a 22 strength elephant it's 22 x 15 x 2 for 660 pounds, double that for lifting. A quick google search shows that an elephant can lift between 600 and 700 pounds so it's amazingly close.

Spoiler: Carrying capacity

Carrying Capacity. Your carrying capacity is your Strength score multiplied by 15. This is the weight (in pounds) that you can carry, which is high enough that most characters don't usually have to worry about it.

Push, Drag, or Lift. You can push, drag, or lift a weight in pounds up to twice your carrying capacity (or 30 times your Strength score). While pushing or dragging weight in excess of your carrying capacity, your speed drops to 5 feet.

Size and Strength. Larger creatures can bear more weight, whereas Tiny creatures can carry less. For each size category above Medium, double the creature's carrying capacity and the amount it can push, drag, or lift. For a Tiny creature, halve these weights.

But a real elephant can carry up to 18000 pounds! In D&D they cannot carry even one tenth of that!

 

[Crimson Longinus]

Huh. Maybe I'm thinking of the dragging weight? I once did the math for a draft horse in D&D and it was 1/5 of what they could actually do.

But it sounds like I might have to look deeper at it, thanks!

Elephants can lift way more than that. When an elephant properly lifts, it does it by its tusks, only holding an object in place with their trunk. They can lift several tonnes.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Elephants can lift way more than that. When an elephant properly lifts, it does it by its tusks, only holding an object in place with their trunk. They can lift several tonnes.

Yes, I should have noticed - @Oofta got me by listing the weight that it can lift with its trunk, which (while strong) is not its strongest lifting, and has nothing to do with its carrying capacity. Of course, we both missed that an Elephant is Huge sized in 5e. But still...

 

[Crimson Longinus]

Yes, I should have noticed - @Oofta got me by listing the weight that it can lift with its trunk, which (while strong) is not its strongest lifting, and has nothing to do with its carrying capacity. Of course, we both missed that an Elephant is Huge sized in 5e. But still...

Yeah, I know they're huge, but that gives them carrying capacity of 1320 pounds, which is one fourteenth of carrying capacity of a real elephant.

Big things in 5e are pathetically weak. The biggest and strongest creature in the game, Tarrasque can carry 3600 pounds, a real elephant can carry five times as much!

 

[Oofta]

Yes, I should have noticed - @Oofta got me by listing the weight that it can lift with its trunk, which (while strong) is not its strongest lifting, and has nothing to do with its carrying capacity. Of course, we both missed that an Elephant is Huge sized in 5e. But still...

I see said the blind man. Ah well, I have several issues with strength and large creatures, this can just be added to the list.