Particle_Man
Explorer
A choice between simpler and complex characters, so the techy guy could go for the Wizard with all his options, and the non-techy guy could go for a character that doesn't have "per day" abilities and just do his thing.
I like 4e, but I miss... Forked Thread: I like 3E, but I miss...
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LA races, largely.
The blood war.
Magical weapons with 2+ properties. In 3rd ed I nearly never had a more than +1 weapon, the other 9 pluses were all cool things.
Flying forever (luckily sorcerers can do it in 4th now at 16th level.)
Quick combats?
A zillion and 1 different enemies instead of just a zillion kobalds and zombies at low levels.
Multiclassing.
Immunity to neg energy.
The ease of which you could make a character that didn't explicitly rely on specific other characters being there.
So ya, stuff.
At least shifters are the new catfolk and, unlike catfolk, are as core as druids.
The blood war.
Magical weapons with 2+ properties. In 3rd ed I nearly never had a more than +1 weapon, the other 9 pluses were all cool things.
Flying forever (luckily sorcerers can do it in 4th now at 16th level.)
Quick combats?
A zillion and 1 different enemies instead of just a zillion kobalds and zombies at low levels.
Multiclassing.
Immunity to neg energy.
The ease of which you could make a character that didn't explicitly rely on specific other characters being there.
So ya, stuff.
At least shifters are the new catfolk and, unlike catfolk, are as core as druids.
arscott
First Post
This. Also, robust non-combat abilities.
DarkMasterBR
First Post
I miss a lot. I miss so much I'm still undecided which one I want to play 
I like 4e, but I miss...
different mechanics for different classes
non combat related abilities (Druid's A Thousand Faces, Monk's "never getting old", Paladin's remove disease, etc...)
The Vancian spell system
Monsters with cool abilities (I hate the 5 rounds and die design philosophy)
Saving vs spells (yeah, I really liked to say, as a GM, "everyone roll Will save")
The freedom in creating the exactly archetype you wanted with the flexible multiclass (ok, this was the number one thing that broke the system, but I had very good players, so it never bothered me much)
I like 4e, but I miss...
different mechanics for different classes
non combat related abilities (Druid's A Thousand Faces, Monk's "never getting old", Paladin's remove disease, etc...)
The Vancian spell system
Monsters with cool abilities (I hate the 5 rounds and die design philosophy)
Saving vs spells (yeah, I really liked to say, as a GM, "everyone roll Will save")
The freedom in creating the exactly archetype you wanted with the flexible multiclass (ok, this was the number one thing that broke the system, but I had very good players, so it never bothered me much)
I like 4e, but I miss...
the threat of the save-or-die. 4e combat just doesn't seem as lethal if a beholder's disintegrate ray comes homing in on you.
the threat of the save-or-die. 4e combat just doesn't seem as lethal if a beholder's disintegrate ray comes homing in on you.
cignus_pfaccari
First Post
I miss number crunching. Dammit, 3e taught me Excel! (I'm only partly joking, too; at first it was for our 3e conversion Birthright game to run my guild, but then for building the character)
Related, I miss being able to create obscene monstrosities, the kinds of things that make most munchkins feel bad and OP. However, the DM did that, too, which wasn't as fun.
Fluff. While I can kind of understand the concept behind leaving most of the fluff out (since so many people used homebrew stuff, a lot of the fluff content published wasn't getting used), I really think they overcorrected and are putting out way too little.
Others have mentioned...combination weapons, where you can get a ton of utility jacked onto one weapon or suit of armor.
Can't say that I miss item destruction, though.
Brad
Related, I miss being able to create obscene monstrosities, the kinds of things that make most munchkins feel bad and OP. However, the DM did that, too, which wasn't as fun.
Fluff. While I can kind of understand the concept behind leaving most of the fluff out (since so many people used homebrew stuff, a lot of the fluff content published wasn't getting used), I really think they overcorrected and are putting out way too little.
Others have mentioned...combination weapons, where you can get a ton of utility jacked onto one weapon or suit of armor.
Can't say that I miss item destruction, though.
Brad
lutecius
Explorer
I really wish 4e had a similar point-based system for powers instead of separate level/daily/encounter/attack/utility slots.
Totally what these guys said...
Also miss 3.5 psionics, like crazy!
TarionzCousin
Second Most Angelic Devil Ever
Because psionics was more flexible, more powerful, more variable, more useful and more powerful?
